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20 Jan 2013, 6:12 pm

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The argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy that essentially relies on a lack of imagination in the audience.


That also pretty much sums up the entire argument in favor of us being visited by alien species -- that if you don't believe it, you don't have enough imagination. Of course, to believe that we are being visited by alien species, you pretty much have to rely entirely on imagination while ignoring just about everything that is at all scientific.



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20 Jan 2013, 9:09 pm

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What bothers me about those who believe that we are being visited by alien species is that they always seem to think that all they have to do is spout off with some meaningless nonsense and throw in a few scientific words (invariably in highly unscientific uses) and nobody can claim they are wrong.

That's a large part of what makes them kooks.


And the shit-storm of negative propaganda on the whole topic is just by the bye?



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20 Jan 2013, 9:10 pm

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Of course aliens and ufo's are real. We live i such a big universe, We simply cant be the only intelligent life, that's impossible.


Light speed in a vacuum is about 300,000 km per second and the stars are very, very far away.

I am sure there are other intelligent races in the galaxy or in the cosmos but they are bound by the same physical laws as we are.

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An intelligent race a million years ahead of us would still be using Newtonian physics to propel their craft?



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20 Jan 2013, 9:12 pm

eric76 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy that essentially relies on a lack of imagination in the audience.


That also pretty much sums up the entire argument in favor of us being visited by alien species -- that if you don't believe it, you don't have enough imagination. Of course, to believe that we are being visited by alien species, you pretty much have to rely entirely on imagination while ignoring just about everything that is at all scientific.


Now I may be going right out on a limb here, but are you actually a UFO skeptic? 8O



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20 Jan 2013, 9:46 pm

Why would any alien travel millions of kalikams just to visit us. That does not make much sense.

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20 Jan 2013, 9:49 pm

For the same reason we will one day traverse the stars.



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20 Jan 2013, 9:59 pm

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An intelligent race a million years ahead of us would still be using Newtonian physics to propel their craft?


It doesn't matter how you propel your spacecraft, the speed of light remains a limit.

If you want to read a novel of how one could possibly travel between planets, read Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C Clarke.



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20 Jan 2013, 11:01 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Why would any alien travel millions of kalikams just to visit us. That does not make much sense.

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They'd have to be either that desperate or, there's be such a situation where they could make some kind of material conversion where distances in space would be irrelevant so long as they could coordinate the position to which they wished to travel.



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21 Jan 2013, 1:24 am

It would be really miserable to send out an expedition to another star that might take 500,000 years to get there and return. In the meantime we would likely have gone through several glaciations in the current ice age.



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21 Jan 2013, 1:29 am

That's just it, they'd have to have nowhere to return to in that case - *if* they can't break into subspace.



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21 Jan 2013, 2:27 am

Guys, you sound like Conquistadors of the sixteenth century trying to imagine a jumbo airliner.



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21 Jan 2013, 2:51 am

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Guys, you sound like Conquistadors of the sixteenth century trying to imagine a jumbo airliner.


There you go again - the argument from incredulity mentioned earlier.

Our best information about the Universe is that the speed of light is a maximum speed. The theory bears it out as well as all the experimental evidence. An object cannot accelerate to the speed of light, much less past the speed of light. The notion that there are exceptions that will let someone travel faster than light is completely implausible.



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21 Jan 2013, 2:56 am

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Guys, you sound like Conquistadors of the sixteenth century trying to imagine a jumbo airliner.

Lol, have you noticed that we *are* sixteenth century Conquistadors trying to imagine a jumbo airplane? ALL of us? If we had such technology publicly available we wouldn't call these things UFO's.



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21 Jan 2013, 3:03 am

I understand now.

1+1=2 only because we don't have the advanced alien technology that makes 1+1=3.

Right?



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21 Jan 2013, 3:09 am

You should quote something. No one knows who you're talking to.



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21 Jan 2013, 3:12 am

It's directed at anyone and everyone who argues that visits by aliens from other stars are possible and that any argument to the contrary is wrong because we aren't sufficiently technologically advanced to know how they do it.