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30 May 2005, 12:33 pm

You need to edit your x windows config file. KDE has nothing to do with X resolution.

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30 May 2005, 12:34 pm

Is this normal for a fresh install?

"Used memory: 829.1MB of 884.2MB 93.8%"
(no swap used yet)

What the hell is hogging it all, and where's the last 139.8MB (I have 1Gb of ram installed)? Is it some sort of pre-loading debian does when there's free ram laying around? I've checked the process listing, and it only shows about 250MB total being used up. Also, am I really old fashioned in thinking that an OS should fit just fine into 50MB of ram or less? What's 'X' doing that it needs 148.3MB for?

Oh, and is mega-byte 'MB' or 'Mb'? Which one's mega-bit?

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30 May 2005, 12:38 pm

Alex wrote:

You need to edit your x windows config file. KDE has nothing to do with X resolution.

Thanks

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30 May 2005, 12:39 pm

are your other hard drives in /dev/hdX ?

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30 May 2005, 12:47 pm

PeterMacKenzie wrote:

:?

Is this normal for a fresh install?

"Used memory: 829.1MB of 884.2MB 93.8%"
(no swap used yet)

What the hell is hogging it all, and where's the last 139.8MB (I have 1Gb of ram installed)? Is it some sort of pre-loading debian does when there's free ram laying around? I've checked the process listing, and it only shows about 250MB total being used up. Also, am I really old fashioned in thinking that an OS should fit just fine into 50MB of ram or less? What's 'X' doing that it needs 148.3MB for?

Oh, and is mega-byte 'MB' or 'Mb'? Which one's mega-bit?

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Can you paste the results of

Code:

ps axv

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30 May 2005, 1:03 pm

<Back from Mandrake>
<Didn't find an x windows anything>

Hmmm... now it's down to 210.4 of 884.2 MB. Guess there must have been junk left over from the install or gremlins. Faeries even...

Here's 'ps avx' anyway:

Code:

  PID TTY      STAT   TIME  MAJFL   TRS   DRS  RSS %MEM COMMAND
    1 ?        S      0:00    322    26  1465  508  0.0 init [2]
    2 ?        S      0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [keventd]
    3 ?        SN     0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [ksoftirqd_CPU0]
    4 ?        S      0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [kswapd]
    5 ?        S      0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [bdflush]
    6 ?        S      0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [kupdated]
   98 ?        S      0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [kjournald]
  360 ?        S      0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [knodemgrd_0]
  406 ?        S<s    0:00    112     9  1466  440  0.0 udevd
  523 ?        S      0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [khubd]
 1569 ?        Ss     0:00      1    91  2268  872  0.0 dhclient -e -pf /var/run 1574 ?        Ss     0:00     30    10  1597  448  0.0 /sbin/portmap
 1739 ?        Ss     0:00    119    24  2215  808  0.0 /sbin/syslogd
 1742 ?        Ss     0:00     45    18  2153 1232  0.1 /sbin/klogd
 1750 ?        Ss     0:00    116   264 10879 2592  0.2 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 1754 ?        S      0:00      1   264 10879 2592  0.2 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 1755 ?        S      0:00    100   264 10879 2592  0.2 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 1756 ?        S      0:00      1   264 10879 2592  0.2 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 1757 ?        S      0:00      1   264 10879 2592  0.2 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 1764 ?        Ss     0:00    423   252  5143 1744  0.1 /usr/sbin/cupsd -F
 1767 ?        Ss     0:00     31   295  1788 1004  0.1 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon-1 - 1773 ?        Ss     0:00     33   145  2402  872  0.0 /usr/bin/dirmngr --daemo 1815 ?        Ss     0:00     11   635  4492 1728  0.1 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30 1822 ?        Ss     0:00    115    17  2202  728  0.0 /usr/sbin/inetd
 1884 ?        S      0:00    554  2242 14849 2216  0.2 /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/ 1889 ?        S      0:00      3  2242  5649 2020  0.2 postgres: stats buffer p 1890 ?        S      0:00      3  2242  4657 2076  0.2 postgres: stats collecto 1896 ?        Ss     0:00     48   859  5024 1904  0.2 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D
 1898 ?        Ss     0:00     42  2698  5477 2676  0.2 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
 1904 ?        S      0:00      1  2698  5477 2656  0.2 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
 1905 ?        Ss     0:00     18   274  3445 1548  0.1 /usr/sbin/sshd
 1910 ?        Ss     0:00     47   118  2741 1428  0.1 /usr/sbin/famd -T 0
 1914 ?        Ss     0:00    159    33  2334  932  0.1 /sbin/rpc.statd
 1917 ?        Ss     0:00     21    12  1659  636  0.0 /usr/sbin/atd
 1920 ?        Ss     0:00     80    24  1731  820  0.0 /usr/sbin/cron
 1926 ?        Ss     0:00     22   366  6981 2620  0.2 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta 1927 ?        S      0:00      4   366  6981 2620  0.2 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta 1928 ?        S      0:00      4   366  6981 2620  0.2 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta 1929 ?        S      0:00      4   366  6981 2620  0.2 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta 1930 ?        S      0:00      4   366  6981 2620  0.2 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta 1931 ?        S      0:00      4   366  6981 2620  0.2 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta 1936 ?        Ss     0:00     19   247  9000 2364  0.2 /usr/bin/gdm
 1942 tty1     Ss+    0:00    119    10  1473  476  0.0 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
 1943 tty2     Ss+    0:00    119    10  1473  476  0.0 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
 1944 tty3     Ss+    0:00    119    10  1473  476  0.0 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
 1945 tty4     Ss+    0:00    119    10  1473  476  0.0 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
 1946 tty5     Ss+    0:00    119    10  1473  476  0.0 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
 1947 tty6     Ss+    0:00    119    10  1473  476  0.0 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
 1948 ?        S      0:00    160   247  9572 3000  0.3 /usr/bin/gdm
 1949 ?        R<     0:09   1619  1508 152303 18308  2.0 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -a 1951 ?        S<     0:00      0     0     0    0  0.0 [kapmd]
 1961 ?        Ss     0:00   2457   106 16789 8828  0.9 x-session-manager
 2003 ?        Ss     0:00      4    53  2930  912  0.1 /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-ses 2005 ?        S      0:01    519    50  9617 7784  0.8 /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 2009 ?        S      0:00     45    71  2172 1024  0.1 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-d 2011 ?        Ss     0:00    612    75  5412 2768  0.3 /usr/lib/bonobo-activati 2013 ?        Ss     0:00    396    18  3945 1608  0.1 gnome-smproxy --sm-confi 2015 ?        S      0:00   1969   150 18953 8860  0.9 /usr/lib/control-center/ 2027 ?        S      0:00    480   263  4512 1960  0.2 xscreensaver -nosplash
 2051 ?        Ss     0:00   1564   465 11614 6888  0.7 metacity --sm-save-file
 2055 ?        Ss     0:01   2507   446 19597 12240  1.3 gnome-panel --sm-config 2057 ?        Ss     0:00   2961   629 25602 15320  1.6 nautilus --sm-config-pr 2058 ?        S      0:00      0   629 25602 15320  1.6 nautilus --sm-config-pr 2059 ?        S      0:00      1   629 25602 15320  1.6 nautilus --sm-config-pr 2061 ?        S      0:00    942    69 10598 4000  0.4 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnom 2064 ?        S      0:00      0    69 10598 4000  0.4 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnom 2065 ?        S      0:00      0    69 10598 4000  0.4 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnom 2066 ?        S      0:00      6   629 25602 15320  1.6 nautilus --sm-config-pr 2068 ?        S      0:00    199    10  2169  744  0.0 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-bur 2070 ?        S      0:00   2100    69 17274 9836  1.0 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnc 2072 ?        S      0:00   1920    31 18012 8720  0.9 /usr/lib/gnome-applets/m 2078 ?        S      0:00   1932    97 17274 8528  0.9 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/clo 2080 ?        S      0:00   1659    25 15546 7204  0.7 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/not 2082 ?        S      0:10   5433   149 50706 34368  3.7 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill 2097 ?        S      0:00      1   149 50706 34368  3.7 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill 2098 ?        S      0:00      7   149 50706 34368  3.7 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill 2100 ?        S      0:00      0   149 50706 34368  3.7 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill 2154 ?        S      0:01   2307   100 19567 10304  1.1 gnome-system-monitor
 2155 ?        S      0:00      0   100 19567 10304  1.1 gnome-system-monitor
 2156 ?        S      0:00      0   100 19567 10304  1.1 gnome-system-monitor
 2158 ?        R      0:00   2418   251 21660 10952  1.2 gnome-terminal
 2159 ?        S      0:00    181     7  2192  664  0.0 gnome-pty-helper
 2160 pts/0    Ss     0:00    358   588  2383 1632  0.1 bash
 2161 ?        S      0:00      0   251 21660 10952  1.2 gnome-terminal
 2162 ?        S      0:00      0   251 21660 10952  1.2 gnome-terminal
 2165 pts/0    R+     0:00    165    61  2230  680  0.0 ps avx

Not exactly the most readable of readouts.

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30 May 2005, 1:07 pm

Alex wrote:

are your other hard drives in /dev/hdX ?

I don't seem to have /dev/hdX:

Debian wrote:

Couldn't find "/dev/hdX".

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30 May 2005, 1:11 pm

PeterMacKenzie wrote:

Alex wrote:

are your other hard drives in /dev/hdX ?

I don't seem to have /dev/hdX:

Debian wrote:

Couldn't find "/dev/hdX".

i meant X to be a variable. do you have hda, hdb, etc or sd0, sd1 or hd0

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30 May 2005, 1:14 pm

ps v usually implies -m (it must be different on debian). can you do "ps axm" ? By the way, none of your processes seem to be hogging memory. That's probably because you have so much memory. how much memory does linux think you have?

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30 May 2005, 1:24 pm

Well, in /dev, I have a whole bunch of icons with names of "hda, hdb" and "sd0, sd1", as well as other ones like 'hdb12', 'hdc14', 'xdb3', 'sdf10' and so on, all with 'naked HD' icons with little red crosses, and which give error messages like "Couldn't display "/dev/sdf10"." when double-clicked on. Some of them don't have the red crosses, but they still give the same message.

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30 May 2005, 1:31 pm

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By the way, none of your processes seem to be hogging memory. That's probably because you have so much memory. how much memory does linux think you have?

Debian's telling my I have 884.2MB in the system monitor. Actual RAM is 1024MB. I think mandrake gives me about 884MB too. Windows 98SE recognises the full 1024MB.

Here's 'ps axm' for you:

PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? - 0:00 init [2]
- - S 0:00 -
2 ? - 0:00 [keventd]
- - S 0:00 -
3 ? - 0:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0]
- - SN 0:00 -
4 ? - 0:00 [kswapd]
- - S 0:00 -
5 ? - 0:00 [bdflush]
- - S 0:00 -
6 ? - 0:00 [kupdated]
- - S 0:00 -
98 ? - 0:00 [kjournald]
- - S 0:00 -
360 ? - 0:00 [knodemgrd_0]
- - S 0:00 -
406 ? - 0:00 udevd
- - S<s 0:00 -
523 ? - 0:00 [khubd]
- - S 0:00 -
1569 ? - 0:00 dhclient -e -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/r - - Ss 0:00 -
1574 ? - 0:00 /sbin/portmap
- - Ss 0:00 -
1739 ? - 0:00 /sbin/syslogd
- - Ss 0:00 -
1742 ? - 0:00 /sbin/klogd
- - Ss 0:00 -
1750 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
- - Ss 0:00 -
1754 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
- - S 0:00 -
1755 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
- - S 0:00 -
1756 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
- - S 0:00 -
1757 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
- - S 0:00 -
1764 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -F
- - Ss 0:00 -
1767 ? - 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon-1 --system
- - Ss 0:00 -
1773 ? - 0:00 /usr/bin/dirmngr --daemon --sh
- - Ss 0:00 -
1815 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
- - Ss 0:00 -
1822 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
- - Ss 0:00 -
1884 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgr - - S 0:00 -
1889 ? - 0:00 postgres: stats buffer process
- - S 0:00 -
1890 ? - 0:00 postgres: stats collector process
- - S 0:00 -
1896 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D
- - Ss 0:00 -
1898 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
- - Ss 0:00 -
1904 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
- - S 0:00 -
1905 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
- - Ss 0:00 -
1910 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/famd -T 0
- - Rs 0:00 -
1914 ? - 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd
- - Ss 0:00 -
1917 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd
- - Ss 0:00 -
1920 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
- - Ss 0:00 -
1926 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
- - Ss 0:00 -
1927 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
- - S 0:00 -
1928 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
- - S 0:00 -
1929 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
- - S 0:00 -
1930 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
- - S 0:00 -
1931 ? - 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
- - S 0:00 -
1936 ? - 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm
- - Ss 0:00 -
1942 tty1 - 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
- - Ss+ 0:00 -
1943 tty2 - 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
- - Ss+ 0:00 -
1944 tty3 - 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
- - Ss+ 0:00 -
1945 tty4 - 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
- - Ss+ 0:00 -
1946 tty5 - 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
- - Ss+ 0:00 -
1947 tty6 - 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
- - Ss+ 0:00 -
1948 ? - 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm
- - S 0:00 -
1949 ? - 1:33 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xa - - R< 1:33 -
1951 ? - 0:00 [kapmd]
- - S< 0:00 -
1961 ? - 0:00 x-session-manager
- - Ss 0:00 -
2003 ? - 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager
- - Ss 0:00 -
2005 ? - 0:01 /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 5
- - S 0:01 -
2009 ? - 0:00 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon
- - S 0:00 -
2011 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server - - - Ss 0:00 -
2013 ? - 0:00 gnome-smproxy --sm-config-prefix /.gnome-smproxy-FOWk - - Ss 0:00 -
2015 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-a - - S 0:00 -
2027 ? - 0:00 xscreensaver -nosplash
- - S 0:00 -
2051 ? - 0:02 metacity --sm-save-file 1117478570-15669-3689213560.m - - Ss 0:02 -
2055 ? - 0:02 gnome-panel --sm-config-prefix /gnome-panel-kOSfTk/ - - - Ss 0:02 -
2057 ? - 0:12 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-pcXJao/ --sm-cl - - Ss 0:12 -
2058 ? - 0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-pcXJao/ --sm-cl - - S 0:00 -
2059 ? - 0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-pcXJao/ --sm-cl - - S 0:00 -
2061 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnome-vfs-daemon --oaf-activate-i - - S 0:00 -
2064 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnome-vfs-daemon --oaf-activate-i - - S 0:00 -
2065 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnome-vfs-daemon --oaf-activate-i - - S 0:00 -
2066 ? - 0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-pcXJao/ --sm-cl - - S 0:00 -
2068 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon
- - S 0:00 -
2070 ? - 0:04 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnck-applet --oaf-activate-iid=O - - S 0:04 -
2072 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2 --oaf-activate-i - - S 0:00 -
2078 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/clock-applet --oaf-activate-iid= - - S 0:00 -
2080 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/notification-area-applet --oaf-a - - S 0:00 -
2082 ? - 0:45 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
- - S 0:45 -
2097 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
- - S 0:00 -
2098 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
- - S 0:00 -
2100 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
- - S 0:00 -
2154 ? - 0:03 gnome-system-monitor
- - S 0:03 -
2155 ? - 0:00 gnome-system-monitor
- - S 0:00 -
2156 ? - 0:00 gnome-system-monitor
- - S 0:00 -
2172 ? - 0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-pcXJao/ --sm-cl - - S 0:00 -
2178 ? - 0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus/nautilus-throbber --oaf-activate-ii - - S 0:00 -
2187 ? - 0:02 /usr/games/gnobots2
- - S 0:02 -
2188 ? - 0:00 /usr/games/gnobots2
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2202 ? - 0:00 gnome-terminal
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2203 ? - 0:00 gnome-pty-helper
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2204 pts/0 - 0:00 bash
- - Ss 0:00 -
2205 ? - 0:00 gnome-terminal
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2206 ? - 0:00 gnome-terminal
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2209 pts/0 - 0:00 ps axm
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30 May 2005, 1:55 pm

that is still listing stuff in the wrong order. Oh well. I think your ram should all be recognized by something in the kernel.

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31 May 2005, 12:07 am

Anyone know what the 'hald' service is and how to turn it on?

Debian wrote:

The "hald" service is required but not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this applet, or contact your system administrator. Note: You need Linux kernel 2.6 for volume management to work.

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31 May 2005, 6:44 am

PeterMacKenzie wrote:

duncvis wrote:

As for a triple boot - shouldn't be a problem with debian, as GRUB detects your existing operating systems.

Yup, it detected them ok. I've got debian up and running now. It's recognised my network and I've got sound, but I can't find my other partitions and HD's anywhere. Any idea where they might be?

You need to edit your fstab file Peter - I'm doing the same. Instructions/help here:
http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html (Google rocks. heh heh)

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31 May 2005, 7:03 am

<Feels lazy and ashamed for not having googled it himself>

Ach, who am I kidding. It's hard to feel lazy when you started cycling at 8.30am and didn't arrive at your workshop on search engine optimisation until 10.00am.

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Thanks for the link. I'll look into it when I get home.

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31 May 2005, 7:35 am

No problem - oh btw you need to create the mount points you refer to in fstab as real directories (e.g home/mandrake), then add the hard disks to your mnt/ directory for them to work - would have said before but I just worked it out myself lol

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