Is there still room for another OS to hit it big?

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11 May 2012, 4:51 pm

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All that said, background research for this has actually turned up an interesting fact: There *is* room for another OS to hit it big-Windows CE (currently sold as "Windows Phone" in the same way Windows NT is sold as "Windows 7") is emerging from obscurity to challenge iOS and Android in the phone market. Though called Windows, it's been it's own OS since the 90s, and it's about to get it's big chance.


Microsoft is moving in the direction of sharing a platform between phones, tablets and desktop PCs, so it won't just be "called" Windows.

We'll see how it does.



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11 May 2012, 5:06 pm

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Again, it's not about granting Microsoft a free ride or not granting them one, because the developers of OpenOffice are not in a position to dictate whether or not Microsoft gets a free ride. You are correct that MS has made a bit of a mess and the OO developers need to pick up the pieces. That's just the way it is. The way we want it to be is something else, and if that's what we're talking about, we're no longer talking about OO in terms of being a usable product, we're talking about it in terms of a product that has the "moral high ground". You see what I mean?
:lmao: "a bit of a mess"?
Oh yes indeed I do see what you mean.
You're basically saying that Microsoft can make whatever mess it feels like making (and for a company that size, there is no way their document mess was accidental) and everyone else just has to suck it up or die.
I happen to think that approach is deliberately anti-competitive and destructive. It could - and should - have been merely "competitive".


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11 May 2012, 5:23 pm

It's certainly anticompetitive, although I know quite a bit of the format myself (both the documented and undocumented features) and suspect a lot of it is simply that Microsoft didn't care enough to get changes they made during development ratified to the standard, rather than trying to kill off OO.

It's anticompetitive, and it's wrong, but it IS. And personally I think the OO developers could have done better, in their own self interest.



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11 May 2012, 5:49 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
Microsoft is moving in the direction of sharing a platform between phones, tablets and desktop PCs, so it won't just be "called" Windows.

We'll see how it does.


I don't think there's enough public info out there to decide if NT and CE are actually different, but based on the fact that it co-existed with an embedded version of XP suggests that it's different. It'd be cool if they just merged NT and CE, or just dropped NT in favor of CE (which I'd wager is much more efficient, considering it's history in embedded systems).

Also, if we want to talk about moral high ground, using document formats at all is sort of rude considering plain text formats are way better. Oh wait those are also incompatible across platforms. :?



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11 May 2012, 7:16 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
It's certainly anticompetitive, although I know quite a bit of the format myself (both the documented and undocumented features) and suspect a lot of it is simply that Microsoft didn't care enough to get changes they made during development ratified to the standard, rather than trying to kill off OO.

It's anticompetitive, and it's wrong, but it IS. And personally I think the OO developers could have done better, in their own self interest.


you do realize that the current OO development team werent the people that started it?

the ones that started OO are now making LO because of many of the issues with formatting and direction.
that product is used by several governments and with great sucess among many companies as well, so in a way they really did act in their own self interest, by creating a better alternative that was still fully compatible with OO and to a better extent than its predecessor, MS.

in reality we are talking about a battle of standards and not singular programs, i see little reason why we wouldnt want an open standard with no central decider compared to the proprietary hell that is MS, even non geeks hate it, excactly why more and more institutions, companies and governments decide to use LO or similar software and for everyone that does the standard stands stronger.

in a way i think microsoft would be better served if they adopted the open format and simply sold their office product for what it is instead of how many others use it, it will backfire in the end, already has some places.


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11 May 2012, 9:44 pm

Evinceo wrote:
MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
Microsoft is moving in the direction of sharing a platform between phones, tablets and desktop PCs, so it won't just be "called" Windows.

We'll see how it does.


I don't think there's enough public info out there to decide if NT and CE are actually different, but based on the fact that it co-existed with an embedded version of XP suggests that it's different. It'd be cool if they just merged NT and CE, or just dropped NT in favor of CE (which I'd wager is much more efficient, considering it's history in embedded systems).

Also, if we want to talk about moral high ground, using document formats at all is sort of rude considering plain text formats are way better. Oh wait those are also incompatible across platforms. :?


MS has announced as much as their direction. I'm sure it will be NT based (is NT still an acronym? or does MS have another label for it these days?)



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11 May 2012, 10:14 pm

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I'm sure it will be NT based (is NT still an acronym? or does MS have another label for it these days?)


Lousy Microsoft and their Neurotypical systems... :P