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Is my hatred of Apple Irrational?
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07 Jan 2019, 7:52 pm

if it wasn't before, it is now.


here, check out this cool new slogan i made up for apple that i totally did not steal from rick beato:


APPLE: IT'S GOOD IF YA LIKE CRAP


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07 Jan 2019, 8:16 pm

Where does iOS fit into your ranking of modern operating systems?


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07 Jan 2019, 8:27 pm

Nowhere. iOS is ironically not even marketed as an operating system, it's really just a thin client platform for Unix/Linux/Windows dependent 'apps'.


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07 Jan 2019, 8:49 pm

In that case iOS isn't a very good name for it.


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07 Jan 2019, 9:00 pm

OP, no emotion (hatred included) is irrational. Emotions can't meaningfully be judged by the standards of rationality; they're simply in a different category of human experience.

There's nothing weird or wrong about disliking something because it reminds you of something else or doesn't fit your use case (a technically capable user). As the saying goes, "it is what it is": no need to judge your thoughts about Apple.



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07 Jan 2019, 9:19 pm

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OP, no emotion (hatred included) is irrational. Emotions can't meaningfully be judged by the standards of rationality; they're simply in a different category of human experience.

There's nothing weird or wrong about disliking something because it reminds you of something else or doesn't fit your use case (a technically capable user). As the saying goes, "it is what it is": no need to judge your thoughts about Apple.

That's a very interesting idea yet I think it's impossible to make rational decisions without emotions. How could you decide on a course of action if you don't know your desires?

Without emotion I would be paralysed with indecision. Perhaps I wouldn't even preserve my life if I didn't have a healthy fear of death.


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08 Jan 2019, 12:43 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:
if it wasn't before, it is now.


here, check out this cool new slogan i made up for apple that i totally did not steal from rick beato:


APPLE: IT'S GOOD IF YA LIKE CRAP


OSX is of much better quality than Windows.



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08 Jan 2019, 3:47 pm

kokopelli wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
if it wasn't before, it is now.


here, check out this cool new slogan i made up for apple that i totally did not steal from rick beato:


APPLE: IT'S GOOD IF YA LIKE CRAP


OSX is of much better quality than Windows.


Except for the GUI.


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08 Jan 2019, 6:06 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
if it wasn't before, it is now.


here, check out this cool new slogan i made up for apple that i totally did not steal from rick beato:


APPLE: IT'S GOOD IF YA LIKE CRAP


OSX is of much better quality than Windows.


Except for the GUI.


What do you not like about their GUI?



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08 Jan 2019, 8:55 pm

I strongly dislike either of those GUIs. I'm much more at home on GNOME desktop in Linux where everything is less complicated as long as it can run in the first place. Windows 10 is just a bunch of flat rectangles unless you turn on 'transparency', which doesn't change much; OSX is a distracting mess of eye (i?) candy and gimmicky names for everyday features that constantly get in the way of my inevitable search for said features any time I need to fix a Mac issue.

Chrome OS is literally a systems merge of the weak points of both.


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08 Jan 2019, 9:04 pm

^^^
I used to work for Apple (as a contractor employee) over 15 years ago, and the current iteration of macOS is dogsh!t.

First, what the hell is the use foR dark mode? My eyesight isn’t the greatest (ah, the joys of type II diabetes!). How the hell can I be productive if I can’t see anything on the damn display!

Second, I have yet to find anything on how to completely disable dark mode. In order to get dark mode to even work properly, I have to shell out almost 400.00 USD for a new video card that supports METAL. Yes, I can purchase the cheaper Wintel versions of those cards (mostly AMD’s R- Series cards, as well as the latest nVidia cards), but hacking the ROMS on those cards to install Mac compatible ROMS is not my idea of a good time. I’m getting too old to be f!cking around flashing new ROMS, since the last time I did something like this, back in the days when I used to build my own PC’s and made them into Hacintoshes, I bricked the card so badly that NOTHING could resuscitate that card.

Third, the new file system, APFS, sucks donkey d!ck. Hard drive access has really slowed to a crawl. I also have Windows 7 installed under BootCamp. I can’t copy files to or from APFS<—> NTFS, let alone copy from a EXT4 filesystem under Linux (simce I have Mojave,Windows 7 64-bit and Linux Mint 18 on my 4th Gen Mac Pro (with the appropriate firmware upgrade to make it look like a 5th Mac Pro to the OS. The only reason to use APFS is to support fusion as well as solid state drives. I firmly believe that solid state drives are still overly expensive and, IMNSHO, still aren’t ready for prime time, as they use the same tech as flash drive.

Frankly, I don’t have the funds to do those hardware upgrades. I’m on SSDI, and there’s not much money left after I pay my rent, pay my phone bill (since I’m doing lease to own an iPhone 7+ and an iPad Pro 10.5 inch via sprint), do my grocery shopping for the month, have enough money to pay for my medications, get a bus pass for the month, and pay off my medical debts and credit cards. The only reason I even got Mojave to run is no thanks to hackers like dosdude1, pikeralpha, tianmo and TonyMac who are better hackers than i’ll Ever be.



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08 Jan 2019, 9:06 pm

Meistersinger wrote:
First, what the hell is the use foR dark mode? My eyesight isn’t the greatest (ah, the joys of type II diabetes!). How the hell can I be productive if I can’t see anything on the damn display!


This is actually the one thing I appreciate about it, even though I'm not a likely user. Some coders have eyestrain problems more than eyesight problems, at least with corrective lenses. I depend on dark themed everything to do as much tech stuff as I do.


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08 Jan 2019, 10:09 pm

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I strongly dislike either of those GUIs. I'm much more at home on GNOME desktop in Linux where everything is less complicated as long as it can run in the first place. Windows 10 is just a bunch of flat rectangles unless you turn on 'transparency', which doesn't change much; OSX is a distracting mess of eye (i?) candy and gimmicky names for everyday features that constantly get in the way of my inevitable search for said features any time I need to fix a Mac issue.

Chrome OS is literally a systems merge of the weak points of both.


My favorite window manager is Windowmaker. I use it on both Linux and OpenBSD. If it were available on a MAC, I'd use it there, too.

I wonder if there are any alternate window managers for MACs.



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08 Jan 2019, 10:33 pm

kokopelli wrote:
cberg wrote:
I strongly dislike either of those GUIs. I'm much more at home on GNOME desktop in Linux where everything is less complicated as long as it can run in the first place. Windows 10 is just a bunch of flat rectangles unless you turn on 'transparency', which doesn't change much; OSX is a distracting mess of eye (i?) candy and gimmicky names for everyday features that constantly get in the way of my inevitable search for said features any time I need to fix a Mac issue.

Chrome OS is literally a systems merge of the weak points of both.


My favorite window manager is Windowmaker. I use it on both Linux and OpenBSD. If it were available on a MAC, I'd use it there, too.

I wonder if there are any alternate window managers for MACs.


Right after Mac OS X was released, there was a way to disable Finder and boot directly to the shell (aka Terminal). It should’nt be that difficult to figure out on how to get xfree86 or xwindows installed as the default GUI, then install GNOME, KDE, XFCE or even the original NeXTStep as your window manager.



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12 Jan 2019, 4:15 pm

For people who don't like change, a Mac is probably a far better choice than a Windows machine.

At least Apple finds something that works and then improves it. Microsoft finds something that works and then dumps it for the next version for something else that doesn't work as nice.

If you had an early Mac that ran OSX, switching to the latest version would be easy. I've seen many people who were lost when facing with changing to a different Windows OS.



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12 Jan 2019, 10:59 pm

windows xp was the best-running version I've used, it rarely crashed. 7 was almost as good. 10 on the other hand... if you don't have a machine with gaming-level power/resources, it is a resource hog and not that stable. to get mine to work on my old machine [old being 2010 vintage, intel I-core3, 6G RAM] I have to go into task manager and manually x-out a bunch of background programs so there will be enough memory for it to run without crashing all the time.