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18 Sep 2011, 8:38 pm

If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.



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19 Sep 2011, 5:43 pm

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If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.


I've never heard of a law like that.



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19 Sep 2011, 5:50 pm

Jono wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.


I've never heard of a law like that.


That's just because the laws you can hear about are illusions



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19 Sep 2011, 6:08 pm

AtticusKane wrote:
Jono wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.


I've never heard of a law like that.


That's just because the laws you can hear about are illusions


Thanks, I'll ask my lawyer to argue that the law is just an illusion the next time I break the law.



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19 Sep 2011, 6:24 pm

Jono wrote:
AtticusKane wrote:

That's just because the laws you can hear about are illusions


Thanks, I'll ask my lawyer to argue that the law is just an illusion the next time I break the law.


But that would only work if your lawyer wasn't also an illusion.

Alright I've had enough hahaha



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19 Sep 2011, 6:27 pm

Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
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20 Sep 2011, 12:45 am

Titangeek wrote:
Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
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Oh I see. It's not the border of the universe that's curved, it's us that are completely bent. :lol:



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20 Sep 2011, 1:58 am

cw10 wrote:

Oh I see. It's not the border of the universe that's curved, it's us that are completely bent. :lol:


*click* ENLIGHTENMENT



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22 Sep 2011, 2:31 am

Seems some people have forgotten the topic, so i'll continue it now...
It would look like a huge 3d web of cloudy multicolored dots linked together
in a never ending space of nothing, well, the way i imagine it :D



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22 Sep 2011, 10:32 am

The curvature of space is how we can have a universe that's finite, but without a "border". (What exactly would be on the other side of this "border", anyway?!)

For a simpler 2d analogy, imagine just the surface of a globe. Let's say you're in London and you try to draw a map of everything around you. You're too small to be aware of the curvature; you just take a look at what's there in a particular direction, and then plot it on the map...

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Doing it on a bigger scale:

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And going out further still:

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See how Antarctica appears above as well as below in this pic - it shouldn't be too surprising that if you start heading north from London and go far enough you get to Antartica eventually :) This map can be made as big as you like; there is no edge to it. So there you have it - a 2d "universe" that extends forever, but only has a finite amount of content.

[The reason I made this map was that I thought it would be better than trying to illustrate the idea using a globe in 3 dimensions. Having the extra dimension just confuses things. I guess it should be possible to do something similar and make a 3d model of the actual universe...hmmm]



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22 Sep 2011, 1:34 pm

WoodenBoy wrote:
The curvature of space is how we can have a universe that's finite, but without a "border". (What exactly would be on the other side of this "border", anyway?!)

For a simpler 2d analogy, imagine just the surface of a globe. Let's say you're in London and you try to draw a map of everything around you. You're too small to be aware of the curvature; you just take a look at what's there in a particular direction, and then plot it on the map...

Image

Doing it on a bigger scale:

Image

And going out further still:

Image

See how Antarctica appears above as well as below in this pic - it shouldn't be too surprising that if you start heading north from London and go far enough you get to Antartica eventually :) This map can be made as big as you like; there is no edge to it. So there you have it - a 2d "universe" that extends forever, but only has a finite amount of content.

[The reason I made this map was that I thought it would be better than trying to illustrate the idea using a globe in 3 dimensions. Having the extra dimension just confuses things. I guess it should be possible to do something similar and make a 3d model of the actual universe...hmmm]


This has been said many times in this thread...

At least its relevant though I suppose and much better than stupid answers about multicoloured dots. I really don't know what's up with some people.