Who built the pyramids?

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02 Feb 2013, 3:26 pm

Its not necessarily either/or.

Ostensibly they were built as either tombs- or some other kind of monument to the God-on-earth that the Egyptians believed the pharoah to be. But the REAL reasons may have been larger political and economic factors.

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02 Feb 2013, 7:17 pm

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So when humans start to form states- they like to build big artificial mountains to help aid and abett the state forming process. Early Pharonic Egypt was actually rather typical.

for the U.S. it was skyscrapers and massive dams. Hoover Dam and Grand Coulee are prime examples. Also the flood control channels on the Mississippi

Our last mega mega mega was the Apollo Program. It was pyramid building of the first magnitude.

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I always welcome your comments ruveyn.

Every capital works example listed here was undertaken for a capital return.
The exception being the Apollo Program, but in its historical context the US was in a cold war and space race with the old USSR at the time, it paid dividends in missile and radar technology and spin-offs for industry.

The workmanship evident in the Giza pyramids is not consistent of that of slaves.
A workforce of 20,000 working for 50 years with an average yearly income of $25,000 per head ( in today's dollars ) could be a wages bill of 25 billion dollars, or two tons of gold.

What I cannot believe is the Pharaohs had this wealth just to throw away on monuments which had no capital return.

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03 Feb 2013, 12:50 pm

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The workmanship evident in the Giza pyramids is not consistent of that of slaves.
A workforce of 20,000 working for 50 years with an average yearly income of $25,000 per head ( in today's dollars ) could be a wages bill of 25 billion dollars, or two tons of gold.

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Just about the cost of the Apollo Program.

According to the movie -Stargate- the giant pyramid was a landing platform of a rather large star ship.

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03 Feb 2013, 1:48 pm

ripped wrote:

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So when humans start to form states- they like to build big artificial mountains to help aid and abett the state forming process. Early Pharonic Egypt was actually rather typical.

The capital return was in the afterlife of the Pharaoh, at least that what egyptians were believing.

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03 Feb 2013, 1:56 pm

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The capital return was in the afterlife of the Pharaoh, at least that what egyptians were believing.

And all of Egypt said "Ameen" which is Egyptian for "so say we all"

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03 Feb 2013, 2:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:

ripped wrote:

Just about the cost of the Apollo Program.

According to the movie -Stargate- the giant pyramid was a landing platform of a rather large star ship.

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03 Feb 2013, 7:04 pm

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The capital return was in the afterlife of the Pharaoh, at least that what egyptians were believing.

Look, the idea that these were tombs just doesn't cut it.
The internal chambers are functional, not aesthetic.
There is no hieroglyph ( of genuine origin ), no prayers, no corpse, no canopic jars. The each of the Giza monuments were totally empty when first breached.
And the so called 'coffer' is not even in a human shape.
Their size and workmanship is unparalleled by such a long margin compared to every other mastaba and clay brick replica tomb as to be obvious even to the untrained.
And then I am asked to believe twenty thousand or so people labored for fifty years simply to appease the megalomaniacal whims of their egocentric Pharaohs?

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03 Feb 2013, 7:29 pm

ripped wrote:

Tollorin wrote:

The capital return was in the afterlife of the Pharaoh, at least that what egyptians were believing.

That is my understanding as well.

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03 Feb 2013, 8:20 pm

^ Argumentum Ad Incredulum ^

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03 Feb 2013, 8:23 pm

I don't understand, what is it I'm fallaciously arguing?

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04 Feb 2013, 10:12 am

Everything ripped posted which you then agreed with - "I can't believe P, therefore not-P".
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

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04 Feb 2013, 11:12 am

Or, "I refuse to believe the simplest and most reasonable explanations, therefore only the most complicated and fantastic explanations must be valid".

It's a subjective fallacy - one in which a person's own unfounded beliefs (rather than well-founded truths) play the significant role.

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04 Feb 2013, 11:16 am

:thumright: Yep.
Much the same thing as on the UFO thread, unsurprisingly.

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04 Feb 2013, 11:22 am

Maybe the two threads could be merge into one? I mean, they both posit extra-terrestrial intelligence behind vast conspiracies without presenting any valid evidence to support any such claim...

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04 Feb 2013, 11:29 am

Well, on the basis of the fallacy - yes, I'd agree - but there are details specific to each... <cough> "case" which would make for an awfully messy thread if merged.

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04 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm

While the data is different, the meta-data is the same, and is derived from the same unreliable source; but yes, I see your point.

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