Opinions on Piracy?

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I think it depends on the context. The artist's should have the right to their music. They should be the ones getting the money. The record companies leech their money just to make themselves richer and fatter. If I made a law it would be that the artist themselves would sell the music at their price. The retailers selling the music would get a fixed rate for the software they developed to sell the music. Example Song cost's 50 cents. Retailer gets 2 cents for the song bought and the 48 cents goes to the artist. Also the copyright law is not fair. They get the copyright for I believe it was 30 years? Which is much too long. I would make it so that they get the exclusive right to sell their work for 5 years then it become freely available.

We sail with the tide.

I had a clerk at Kinko's refuse to print my book, because it is Copyrighted. It said so on the title page.

Everything is copyrighted by the act of creation, so under that standard, nothing should be reproduced.

Copyright is the life of the artist plus 52 years. Your life plus being able to leave it to your children.

That becomes more important now that films are made from old books.

The standard has been commercial use, sale, and personal use has been exempt.

Record companies and publishing houses have exploited artists, book stores have expoited readers, technology is changing that.

We are almost to the point where bands can have a web site for downloads, $0.33 by paypal, and bypass the whole industry.

I print and bind for writers who sell on Amazon. We both make more than writers and printers under the old system. The books can sell for less than half the Barnes&Noble price.

We are pirating the whole industry.

I don't see anything wrong with pirating for yourself or for your friends. That to me doesn't equal stealing. What's stealing is when you take whatever you pirate and sell it for your own profit. When you download something, you make a copy of something. You aren't physically taking anything if you download it, your only making a copy. Just my 2 cents

Piracy is definitely not a good thing in the industry.
But You can see it happening all over the world.
People who can not buy the things go for piracy that's understood, but I have seen people capable of buying the movie, software, video games also opt for pirated copies. This should not happen. If the makers are not getting what they want then you wont see improvement in the products. It takes time to recover the investment. After all its also a relative topic to each industry. IF people starts buying the products then you will definitely see a fall in the price or you have to wait until the product gets outdated.

DONT FORGET Piracy is a crime.

Well it is a good thing that ...
The original source of all digital media
...is in the public domain.

If you can count from 0 to 1 then you don't need to copy ANYTHING.

BTW this thread is a trap and you are bragging about doing things you think
are crimes, but for some reason the guilty parties robbed and sued you from
2000-2009 and gave you a guilty conscience and even infected your computers
with bogus viruses in music, movies, and games with their EVIL ACTS OF PIRACY.

Whenever the mathematics of simple arithmetic and advanced information theory
which was invented before the CD comes up, these evil pirates hide from the day
light like the blood sucking vampires they are. If you write software and share it
and sing songs and share them, its none of their damned business whatsoever.

Unfortunately, these blood sucking vampires have brain washed you into paying
for software and sound and images over and over again that were made for
free over and over again, and their bogus virus vs. antivirus scams cost you
more money. The whole economy is bleeding for them because of people not
reading evil contracts like EULAs that force them to pay for free stuff and be
extorted into protecting you from themselves and their bogus viruses.

GOOGLE and FLASHPLAYER have released and developed, over the past 2
years or so, the first and most dangerous virus against free software, which
I am currently investigating. PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE is the scam where
they force you to pay a lot for intentionally damaged versions of what is free,
and even force you to use optional DRM which exposes you to liability by
your own EULA agreement to DMCA violations.

The image on the link is a simple logo for one of many mathematical
entities so full of calculable information by such simple means that there
is no longer any such thing as a copy. The recording equipment factories
have shut down and no longer make tapes and disks to record on, because
it is unnecessary now. I am currently investigating a flash virus which is so
potent it is like airborne bird flu and has created a fire hazard and may even
be responsible for the crashing of Toyotas. I believe that I have oberved this
virus spread over wireless to devices on the same frequency which include
wifi, bluetooth, cell phones, car and airplane fly-by-wire systems, and have
been playing with the infection while everything else but one terminal is
shut down. It has penetrated 2 hardware firewalls, one software firewall,
and is currently passing all filters to my browser at a rate of once per
second on a small VM Linux with a Mozilla browser. I believe that the
virus is airborne in my neighborhood due to wifi density. These "nice"
and "popular" inhuman entities seem to be spreading the virus, in the
order that I have encountered it by frequency:

GOOGLE and ADOBE (formerly Macromedia, Flashplayers versions 7 and up)
GOOGLE's YTIMG.COM which Flashplayer has recently been turning on webcams
and feeding live video to without permission.
YOUTUBE and FACEBOOK
MICROSOFT - notice they have been behaving relatively well in my opinion.
SONY / SONY BMG / ELECTRONIC ARTS - They make Rootkit viruses for DRM
and virus infected games like SPORE and SIMs.

Certain threads on WP seem dangerous with malware such as this one which
tempts you into confessing guilt to what you believe is a crime. But they are
actively hacking your computers which is illegal here according to the
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

These inhuman entities cannot go to jail for their crimes.
But you don't have to buy their BS.
You can get good stuff for free.
I am on an absolutely free, non-EULAfied, illegally hacked and infected
terminal that belongs only to me which has been intruded upon by these
evil inhuman entities using the dangerous Windows/**nix virus
FLASHPLAYER (versions 7 AND UP) which created a fire hazard.

I suppose if the business world is now a room full of monkeys and fans
tossing flaming poop all over the place then by all rights I could join the
party and bring a buttload of trouble to all of the above. I haven't signed
their contracts promising to take a ton of slapstick poop-pies in the face,
but... BUT... I haven't bought their POOP either, so I am just coming out
and saying what they are doing and the best way to stop it is don't buy
their poop and wait until they bury themselves in it.

If you posted on this thread then you probably have a virus and bragged
about actions that you believe are illegal. Many of you think you have
copies of their poop when you truly do not. NAPSTER never stole a CD
from a record store and if you don't believe that then PM me a Hamburger.
Yet enough people believed that downloading was copying that the case
law agreed, I guess. Here, as elsewhere, I have shown, if you can understand
it, the simplest proof that computers do not "copy". A pair of CD drives
may copy a CD, but there are hundreds of mathematical examples of
how data can be generated at will without storage (did I mention I have
no hard drive?) and even that any unique CD is a useable copy of any other
CD, and that everything the computers do is little more than the math
that you learned in school, only in binary, and I also know that even the
binary numbers calculable by ordinary computers are claimed for public
domain.

Now there is one little BUT that I am aware of. If you create and distribute
something using a trademark, which is not even a copy, and which isn't
even useful the way that a copy would be useful, then you are not a pirate
but a ... COUNTERFEITER. Only the inhuman entities can be pirates, and
their victims are individuals who trusted them to publish their books and
records ... and got ripped off by their publishers (or another publisher).
Individuals may go to a library and copy books and music using equipment
provided legally, for fair use BUT case law has made an anomaly out of
downloading.

I do not recommend downloading. How do you know that the stranger
you are downloading from has not attached dangerous software? Well,
you have to do what I am doing right now, which you promised not to
do when you AGREEd with Windows EULA. You have to look at the
data before you use it and make sure it is not a copyrighted copy nor
evil inhuman proprietary software.

I assume WP is not intentionally hosting dangerous and illegal software.
If they don't stop, all I can do is say so and leave. All I can do is warn you.

SOMEBODY POSTED AN ILLEGAL THREAD THAT WAS SERIOUSLY
DANGEROUS NOT ONLY BY HAVING A VIRUS, BUT ALSO BY TRYING
TO PULL A FELONY FEDERAL CRIME THAT IS EXTREMELY HARMFUL
TO THE HEALTH OF PEOPLE WITH AUTISM, AND TO TRY TO HARM
PEOPLE WITH AUTISM BY GETTING THEM INVOLVED WITH THE SERIOUS
CRIME. It is or was in the Adult forum on April 11, 2010. Do not click on
the thread with the 3-letter title! You have been warned.

Due to hack attacks apparently directed at me and probably at
everyone I have not been able to update the "humanity" of my avatar profile
as I had intended. Because of this I can boldly report on my findings,
but at the same time I am regretful of any errors I may have made,
if I made any errors, because at this time the evidence seems to me
to point to the truth. Anyone I named as malicious will have to explain
by what means the hacks had "their names" on them, even if the hacks
were perpetrated by impostors... they have more information about
any "impersonators" of themselves than do I.

Do not reply to this thread or you may get a virus, even in Linux,
although "Adobe Flash Fire virus" is at present coming from the
Google widgets at the bottom of this page. AFF so named because
it has penetrated a private, isolated, computer-controlled electrical
system and caused it to catastophically overheat, and the origin
is apparently Adobe Flashplayer and Google. I am currently doing
all I can to open the source and learn how to prevent such dangerous
and illegal break-and-enter scenarios in the future. Anything that
does this loses any claims to DMCA protection except when you
AGREE to Windows. Whatever you do, don't ever let Microsoft
run all of your home appliances. It might BSoD and leave the
oven on. Bill all consequential expenses from this post
to SONY, since they have defaulted on their damage
resolution judgements.

This original post may be retrieved from Champernowne's Constant,
using a calculator designed for that purpose, and printed out on a
line printer or transmitted by modem via the calculator if necessary.
As a digital string extractable from a mathematical entity, this post
has no human author and is therefore an integer, and public domain.

Arrrrggghhhhh! Hang the blackguards from the highest yardarm in the fleet!

ruveyn

I'm sad to say I haven't really formed an opinion on piracy because I don't know a reliable resource to research the implications of doing it. I just hear peoples own opinions about it. Personally, I download a lot of music. There's a lot of artists that I listen to one song by or I want to see what they sound like and end up deleting their music so I would hate to buy their whole album. I do download movies sometimes, but I do buy DVDs of movies and TV shows. Burning DVDs is a pain, IMO, so downloading movies/shows doesn't stop me from buying, renting, or going to see them in the theater.

Sometimes piracy is the only way to get things, like old software and TV shows from other places. For example they only released Season 1 and half of Season 2 of The Saint with Roger Moore in the US. They released all the episodes in Europe, so the only way to get them all is to pirate because even copying and converting the Euro DVDs is considered piracy.

I buy the software and media i want. I think that if you are going to use it, you should pay for it.

However, that only goes for people with an income and the prices have to be reasonable, i do not look down on people who pirate software or media, everyone cannot afford to buy the latest "flavour of the moment" DVD/CD/Games. The idea that the media industry is "loosing money" on piracy is preposterous BS!

There need to be a different model of paying for media, but all the media industry do is WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE about it.

And dont get me started on those force fed anti-piracy ads on DVDs.... if ANYTHING makes me consider pirating movies, those ads have that effect, as the pirated movies does not come with that crap. Imagine going on a bus and before you can take your seat the driver says "Counterfeiting bus tickets is stealing - and you should not do it" - as if you WERE doing it. Treating your customers like criminals is a BIG F-ING BAD IDEA.


As for online activation, i originally thought of it as a good way to "control" piracy, but the fact is:

1. Unless your company's name is Microsoft or similar, and you have a solid economical foundation and will likely still be around in 15-30 years, your consumers will be screwed when your company go into chapter 11 and the activation server close down.

I bought a MIDI keyboard, with it came a piece of software that required online activation, my question is - will i be able to use the feature that I PAID FOR in 5 years? I am NOT renting software.

2. Pirates are not affected by online activation. All i have to say here is "Spore" and most people will understand. Only paying customers are affected.

And oh yeah, those "region" things they have.

Those mean that when i, a no-TV owner, will be able to buy the latest House MD or Dexter on DVD, it will be old and have no seeders on Pirate Bay, it will be a 3'rd time re-run on Canal Plus (Pay channel for movies) and also have been shown on regular commercially funded TV.

Now, why the F do i have to wait until the rest of the world has seen it?????????????

Release on DVD Immediately!! !

The anti-piracy organisations realllly exaggerate the effects of piracy, especially when you consider that the profits of the entertainment industry have been increasing every year for the past decade, and there's multiple studies which show that people who pirate media are also more likely to buy it.

The studies that show piracy is bad are commissioned by the entertainment industry and are fiddled with a lot. Here's one such example.

I'd also like to point out that for decades they've been saying new technology will kill the industry. They thought the VHS would kill TV, they thought cassette tapes would kill music, and now they think filesharing will kill both. Give it another few years they'll move on to resisting the next new technology.

The industry also does all sorts of things behind the scenes are are less than legitimate. Remember the Pirate Bay trial? It was lost for TPB before it even began because the judge was biased, connected to the entertainment industry none the less.

If you're interested in the issue of piracy, and the wider picture of it, I recommend searching up Steal This Film II on YouTube, it's not copyrighted so it's fully legal to go ahead and torrent it too. For more info on the Pirate Bay trial, watch Steal This Film 2.5.

And for anyone saying piracy is theft (I haven't read the whole thread, but I'm sure someone's brought it up), that's utter crap, and the law agrees. The Theft Act says "A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it". Now tell me, at what point of downloading a pirated copy of something, do you take someone's property? I rest my case.

BTW, BitTorrent was coded by an Aspie, which isn't really anything to do with the issue but I just like that fact

As for the anti-piracy ads... Watch this video, just coz it's funny, and I cracked up so much the first time I watched it:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg[/youtube]

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Hollywood's goal isn't really to make money.

No... honestly, i'm being serious here. (look ma, no smiley face)
It's to distract us from everything else that really matters.
So, whether they make money doing it, or just do it, that's all that matters. They can't produce enough garbage for us to eat up, so along comes file-sharing.

Tell me, when you do a search for an old movie, or an old TV series... doesn't it amaze you that there are so few that you can't find?
How could 99% of major studio movies ever produced (well, English language films) be available..
How many people actually do the ripping and seeding? no many really. maybe 1% of 1% of users? Likely that's high.

There are legit DVD rips with subtitle tracks for movies never produced on DVD.

Piracy was created by, and is being used by the very institute that so vehemently objects to it.
We won't "buy" their movies any more so that they can continue to brainwash us... well... they just have to "give" them to us now.

My opinion on piracy... Heh... go for it, use up their bandwidth, at the very least it will force the ISP's to increase available bandwidth. Likely cost the big corporations lots of cash, and so long as we don't give in and let it control, desensitize and absorb our life, like they want it to, it doesn't hurt us, just them.

Turn about is fair play, go get em!

It should be 100% legal. HOWEVER, people need to exercise their consciousnesses when doing so.

At the moment, I'm downloading by the gigabytes but my hours have been cut. Otherwise, I'd be buying at least 2-3 CDs a week and probably at least 20 and about that same amount in vinyls when I can get to Goodwill. I tend to preview stuff before I download cuz I'm not gonna download what I won't like, and I also end up deleting what I download if I don't end up buying it on a physical format eventually. I don't download compulsively/impulsively (I forget the difference) and download as I would buy a CD.

I hate downloading music, but I love it to the point I don't have the patience when I want an album.

And you don't have tell me about all the contradictions and hipocriteness in this post and my opinion on the subject, I just have an odd way of thinking.

If things were put a reasonable price, things wouldn't be pirated. I pirate, because I'm a kid and I can't earn a significant amount of money

You have several alternatives.
1) Ask your parents to help you buy stuff.
2) Wait a couple years until you can get a decent part-time job and buy the stuff you want.
3) If we're talking software, use open-source. If it's music, listen to the radio.