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07 Apr 2010, 9:49 pm

Science Magazine reports the discovery of a multicellular organism that lives totally without oxygen, anaerobically.

ScienceShot: Animals That Live Without Oxygen
Scientists have found the first multicellular animals that apparently live entirely without oxygen. The creatures reside deep in one of the harshest environments on earth: the Mediterranean Ocean's L'Atalante basin [deep in the Mediterranean Sea] which contains salt brine so dense that it doesn't mix with the oxygen-containing waters above. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2 ... ve-wi.html

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The article also explains that the microscopic multicellular animal, called Loricifera, do not have Mitochondria in their cells. Instead their organelles contain "hydrogenosomes", which utilise hydrogen instead of oxygen as a source of energy.

Article here:
The first metazoa living in permanently anoxic conditions
BMC Biology 2010, 8:30 doi: 10.1186/1741-7007-8-30

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... 7-8-30.pdf

Reminds me of the Ray Bradbury Quote:
"Dad, do you think there is life on Earth?" , "No Son, don't be silly there is far too much Oxygen in its atmosphere!"


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07 Apr 2010, 11:00 pm

neat :!:

this really challenges our current definition of living organisms.

this finding also implies that there is a greater possibility of extraterrestrial life, since it shows how organisms do not always need to live in the same conditions that are normally found on our planet where there is the most life.

this is so eery since who knows what will be found next.



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07 Apr 2010, 11:57 pm

On what evidence are they classifying this thing as an animal? It is entirely possible (from the sparse description in the article) that they have discovered a multicellular archaea rather than an anaerobic animal.

Not saying it can't be an animal, as there are examples of animals that lack mitochondria, but I would hope they put this critter through a gene sequencer and ran some detailed analyses before labeling it a metazoa.


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08 Apr 2010, 2:00 am

The environment is water, right? H2=O.
Surely there is oxygen chemistry going on via enzymes or
ionic reactions to supply oxygen, because as far as I know
there is no life form on earth without oxygen; DNA cannot
even be made without it. Proteins/amino acids have oxygen,
and the genetic code is universal in the part that assembles
proteins out of amino acids. The brine itself would create
ions that form "virtual" oxygen molecules.



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08 Apr 2010, 9:49 am

ValMikeSmith wrote:
The environment is water, right? H2=O.
Surely there is oxygen chemistry going on via enzymes or
ionic reactions to supply oxygen, because as far as I know
there is no life form on earth without oxygen; DNA cannot
even be made without it. Proteins/amino acids have oxygen,
and the genetic code is universal in the part that assembles
proteins out of amino acids. The brine itself would create
ions that form "virtual" oxygen molecules.

Life on Earth began in the absence of significant levels of atmospheric oxygen (O2). Of course there are oxygen-containing compounds, but they are very different chemically from atmospheric oxygen. It is believed that the first photosynthetic organisms, by greatly increasing the oxygen concentration in the Earth's atmosphere, triggered a mass extinction as O2 is highly corrosive. But these higher concentrations of oxygen also paved the way for the evolution of mitochondria and the subsequent proliferation of complex multicellular organisms.


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08 Apr 2010, 12:13 pm

Very cool. This is the sort of thing that says to me that life is probably inevitable throughout the universe.



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08 Apr 2010, 12:40 pm

The role of oxygen in aerobic respiration is as an electron acceptor. But oxygen can also be present bound up in water, dissolved gasses (CO2), and minerals. So there was tons of oxygen in the earth's oceans (bound up as H2O and CO2) and crust even before there was gaseous oxygen in the atmosphere and dissolved in the ocean. So its not so much a matter of life in the absence of oxygen, but life in the absence of oxygen available as an electron acceptor. This is a significant find because there are multitudes of single cell microorganisms that have been discovered/identified that use alternate electron acceptors, but this is the first multi-celluar microorganism that must use alternate electron acceptors...sounds like the researchers haven't yet identified or published what electron acceptors or metabolic pathways this animal uses.

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Very cool. This is the sort of thing that says to me that life is probably inevitable throughout the universe.


Completely agree. By the way, Stone Man, is your avatar a pic of Ed Abbey? I'm a huge Abbey fan. It kind of goes with your location. If not, nevermind :D



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08 Apr 2010, 12:53 pm

Diamonddavej wrote:
Science Magazine reports the discovery of a multicellular organism that lives totally without oxygen, anaerobically.

ScienceShot: Animals That Live Without Oxygen
Scientists have found the first multicellular animals that apparently live entirely without oxygen. The creatures reside deep in one of the harshest environments on earth: the Mediterranean Ocean's L'Atalante basin [deep in the Mediterranean Sea] which contains salt brine so dense that it doesn't mix with the oxygen-containing waters above. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2 ... ve-wi.html

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Image Credit: R. Danovaro et al., BMC Biology

The article also explains that the microscopic multicellular animal, called Loricifera, do not have Mitochondria in their cells. Instead their organelles contain "hydrogenosomes", which utilise hydrogen instead of oxygen as a source of energy.

Article here:
The first metazoa living in permanently anoxic conditions
BMC Biology 2010, 8:30 doi: 10.1186/1741-7007-8-30

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... 7-8-30.pdf

Reminds me of the Ray Bradbury Quote:
"Dad, do you think there is life on Earth?" , "No Son, don't be silly there is far too much Oxygen in its atmosphere!"


Non-aerobic organisms are not all that rare. There are many kinds of one-celled organism that do not use oxygen.

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08 Apr 2010, 2:32 pm

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On what evidence are they classifying this thing as an animal? It is entirely possible (from the sparse description in the article) that they have discovered a multicellular archaea rather than an anaerobic animal.

Not saying it can't be an animal, as there are examples of animals that lack mitochondria, but I would hope they put this critter through a gene sequencer and ran some detailed analyses before labeling it a metazoa.


Here: "First Molecular Data on the Phylum Loricifera – An Investigation into the Phylogeny of Ecdysozoa with Emphasis on the Positions of Loricifera and Priapulida" Zoological Science 23(11):943-954. 2006 doi: 10.2108/zsj.23.943 http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2108/zsj.23.943

Characteristics of Loricifera:-
1) Bilaterally symmetrical.
2) Body has more than two cell layers and includes tissues and organs.
3) Has a body cavity, and a straight through gut.
4) Body has three distinct regions, a head a neck and a trunk.
5) Has one pair of gonads = gonochoristic.
6) Has a well developed nervous system with a brain and nerve ganglia.
7) Has a distinct larval stage.
8) Lives in marine environments.


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08 Apr 2010, 2:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Non-aerobic organisms are not all that rare. There are many kinds of one-celled organism that do not use oxygen.

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True, indeed ca. 50% of life on Earth (in Earth) may well consist of single celled anaerobic archaea and bacteria that live underground (methanotrophic & methanogenic).

Chapelle et al. 2002. A hydrogen-based subsurface microbial community dominated by methanogens. Nature 415, 312-315 | doi:10.1038/415312a; http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 5312a.html

But this is the first multicellular animal that is an obligate anaerobe i.e. it not only lives with without oxygen, oxygen would kill it.


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08 Apr 2010, 4:56 pm

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By the way, Stone Man, is your avatar a pic of Ed Abbey? I'm a huge Abbey fan. It kind of goes with your location. If not, nevermind :D


Give that man a bonus! It is indeed curmudgeonly old Ed. People tell me I look exactly like him, so I thought what the hell, I'll just piggy-back on his notoriety. I know where he's buried, too.

I first ran into Ed in a greasy little tavern in Moab, the name of which escapes me now, but which is no longer there in any case. I do recall he liked Pabst Blue Ribbon, though. That was back when Moab was almost a ghost town and just before Desert Solitaire, so he was still a nobody then.

"Abbey, you ever gonna amount to a hill of beans?" I would ask him.

"Damnit, I hope not," he would reply.

He was a crazy old fool, but a hell of a writer and a good drinking buddy. I still miss him.



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08 Apr 2010, 5:27 pm

Diamonddavej wrote:
Orwell wrote:
On what evidence are they classifying this thing as an animal? It is entirely possible (from the sparse description in the article) that they have discovered a multicellular archaea rather than an anaerobic animal.

Not saying it can't be an animal, as there are examples of animals that lack mitochondria, but I would hope they put this critter through a gene sequencer and ran some detailed analyses before labeling it a metazoa.


Here: "First Molecular Data on the Phylum Loricifera – An Investigation into the Phylogeny of Ecdysozoa with Emphasis on the Positions of Loricifera and Priapulida" Zoological Science 23(11):943-954. 2006 doi: 10.2108/zsj.23.943 http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2108/zsj.23.943

Characteristics of Loricifera:-
1) Bilaterally symmetrical.
2) Body has more than two cell layers and includes tissues and organs.
3) Has a body cavity, and a straight through gut.
4) Body has three distinct regions, a head a neck and a trunk.
5) Has one pair of gonads = gonochoristic.
6) Has a well developed nervous system with a brain and nerve ganglia.
7) Has a distinct larval stage.
8) Lives in marine environments.

Thanks for the info.

To your other post, it may be nitpicking, but from what I have read all known methanogens are archaea (ie no bacterial methanogens). 50% of earth's biomass in anaerobes would surprise me after the oxygen revolution that the first cyanobacteria brought.

But I agree, a multicellular anaerobe is a monumental discovery.


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08 Apr 2010, 6:45 pm

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To your other post, it may be nitpicking, but from what I have read all known methanogens are archaea (ie no bacterial methanogens). 50% of earth's biomass in anaerobes would surprise me after the oxygen revolution that the first cyanobacteria brought.

But I agree, a multicellular anaerobe is a monumental discovery.


Yes, you are right, there are no bacterial methanogens. There are bacterial methanotrophs.

According to Kotelnikova (2002), the Earth's habitable biosphere might extend to 120 degrees Celsius (approx. upper temp. limit of life). Given a geothermal gradient of 25 degrees Celsius per km, this gives a potential vertical habitable zone of ...

120 / 25 = 4,800 meters

This is much greater than a lush tropical rain forest (50 meters) or grassland (0.3 meters). So the paper suggests that 50% mass of life on (and in) Earth lives underground.

Kotelnikova S., 2002. Microbial production and oxidation of methane in deep subsurface. Earth-Science Reviews, Volume 58, Issues 3-4, October 2002, Pages 367-395


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11 Apr 2010, 12:28 am

I still doubt absolutely that this creature has no O2 inside of its body,
and even more absolute doubt that there can't be any O2 in its environment.
The brine ionizes water and must create O2 molecules.

Are fish or shellfish anaerobic too? How about plankton?

Is the pH of the environment higher or lower than the rest of the sea?
My guess is its the same.
If there isn't enough energy to get enough oxygen to make Mitochondria,
there still is enough for proteins. What is alive without DNA and proteins?



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11 Apr 2010, 3:34 am

ValMikeSmith wrote:
I still doubt absolutely that this creature has no O2 inside of its body,
and even more absolute doubt that there can't be any O2 in its environment.
The brine ionizes water and must create O2 molecules.

Are fish or shellfish anaerobic too? How about plankton?

Is the pH of the environment higher or lower than the rest of the sea?
My guess is its the same.
If there isn't enough energy to get enough oxygen to make Mitochondria,
there still is enough for proteins. What is alive without DNA and proteins?


You are, of course, welcome to doubt. Doubt is something applicable to all thought and worthwhile.



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11 Apr 2010, 10:22 am

Stone_Man wrote:
DenvrDave wrote:
By the way, Stone Man, is your avatar a pic of Ed Abbey? I'm a huge Abbey fan. It kind of goes with your location. If not, nevermind :D


Give that man a bonus! It is indeed curmudgeonly old Ed. People tell me I look exactly like him, so I thought what the hell, I'll just piggy-back on his notoriety. I know where he's buried, too.

I first ran into Ed in a greasy little tavern in Moab, the name of which escapes me now, but which is no longer there in any case. I do recall he liked Pabst Blue Ribbon, though. That was back when Moab was almost a ghost town and just before Desert Solitaire, so he was still a nobody then.

"Abbey, you ever gonna amount to a hill of beans?" I would ask him.

"Damnit, I hope not," he would reply.

He was a crazy old fool, but a hell of a writer and a good drinking buddy. I still miss him.


Nice to meet you Stone Man. Sorry to go off topic, but Ed's writing had a huge influence on my view of life, the universe, and everything, and still does! I spend as much time wandering the desert southwest as my life will allow, which amounts to maybe two weeks out of the year. Moab is one my favorite places to leave, if you catch my meaning. I also hope to retire and wander the southwest deserts until my body no longer works. Maybe one day I'll run across you, I'll keep my eyes open for an Ed Abbey look-alike, but don't worry I won't make an @ss of myself or you either.