Steve Jobs attempts to justify the lack of flash on ipod

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10092298.stm

Personally it sounds like bait and switch to me.

As much as Flash is a standard, it sucks. Flash videos, at least in my experience, are more prone to freezing and crashing the whole browser than any other standard.

Oooo......looks that he's covering for himself. Thanks for the article.

As far the iPad - what an unfortunate name. iPad has connotations of a feminine hygiene product gone awry in a high-tech way. And this is just wrong on so many levels. Do not install that.
Not to mention, as Fuzzy asserted, Flash is not compatible. Go figure.

well fuzzy, you as a linux user (me as well keep in mind). Can you really say flash is all that great? I mean, theres still no proper 64-bit version released, and its so buggy.

The majority of the crashes or problems you experience with websites, I bet you its when nsplugwinwrapper crashes and youtube's player widget goes grey isnt it?

Sure it may or may not be a bait and switch act. But you gotta admit, Jobs speaks the truth about flash.

Whats wrong with this one? http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs ... .so.tar.gz



Oddly no. My big problem is java. which is an annoyance as I often develop in it.



Undoubtedly a little of both.

I've used that 64bit pre-release, its slow and buggy. I rolled back to the 32 bit version. Sadly the situation is worse on windows and mac where theres no 64 bit version period.

Also I figured it is worth mentioning microsoft echoed what apple has been saying about flash.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/micr ... -is-html5/


Personally I have to agree, I would love to see flash go. I am more than happy to see Javascript and HTML5 elements take it's place where applicable.

Ok, that is fair, but doesnt that negate your earlier statement?



Yes, as a linux user I can say that we have 2 versions to compare to window and apple's singular versions. I assumed they were firmly established with 64 bit versions. Yet you tell me they are not.

I think that affirms the mixed message of Jobs and Adobe. Adobe is pretty platform neutral, but they also have some serious development problems. If there isnt a windows 64 bit flash after all these years, I think it speaks something about inherit design flaw in flash, or a failure to find a profitable reason to advance.

Adobe basically dominates the interactive web experience in games and video. They own the market for development tools for that too.

So hmmm. Maybe they are in a windows like position, with little ability to gain new customers, having gained 90% of them years ago. The only thing left to do is up sell - like MS does with new versions of windows - but they dont seem to be doing that even. Where is the 64 bit love?

I can see what you are saying. Its a curious position they have taken.

I dont think it negates my earlier statement given the 64 bit plugin is still alpha grade, its been released for I think about a year now and still hasnt even progressed to beta or release candidate. I wouldnt be surprised if absolutely nothing happens to it for a very long time or possibly ever. I wouldnt call what it is currently as flash having 'proper 64 bit support'. its more like a quick hack to play around with that was half heartedly implemented by adobe.

Flash has always been a piece of s**t.

Jobs has always preferred closed systems over open systems. No surprise.

ruveyn

The letter is pretty silly if you ask me. These are good points I think:

http://www.coolcoder.org/SteveJobsThoug ... shResponse

What's wrong with that? It's terrible, that's what.

Watching any video in HD from YouTube (or even maximised) makes my new quad-core Ubuntu workstation squeal in pain. Watching the same video on a much older windows machine is so much more smooth and bearable.

The latest version of Flash has only made the difference in performance even wider between Windows and Linux now that the Windows version allows for GPU accleration (for Nvidia cards) and that 64-bit on Linux seems to be stagnating in Alpha for a long time.

I may not like Jobs as a human being, but he and Apple has done a lot for free software in general, mobilising industry support against Flash in favour of HTML5 and H.264 can only be the step in the right direction.

H.264 isnt free.

Is Flash? Streaming videos with HTML5 + H.264 codec would be an improvement over Flash + H.264.

You dont have to pay for licencing for flash as you technically do for H.264.

I havent seen any indication that HTML5 will be more secure than flash, but I'm sure the videos will run better.

I'm not entirely sure if that's true (the part about paying licence), if I recall correctly I only have to pay the patent holder(s) if I were to be distributing commercial content to paying customers or if I were creating an H.264 encoder (Google, Canonical, Microsoft and Apple would have to pony up the cash, not me or you).

Is HTML5 more secure then flash? I dunno, but isn't Flash one of the biggest vulnerabilities on any desktop? You'd have to trip over yourself pretty hard to outdo Flash in that field.