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10 Feb 2011, 5:53 am

http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blog ... or-windows


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10 Feb 2011, 6:00 am

HP's new stuff is looking very impressive. I've liked webOS since day one, so it's good to see HP really taking advantage of it.



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10 Feb 2011, 10:17 pm

Remember the HP linux netbook? Anyone? The one that was completely converted into HP-OS, and was a completely terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?


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11 Feb 2011, 3:43 am

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Remember the HP linux netbook? Anyone? The one that was completely converted into HP-OS, and was a completely terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?


Remember the Android phone? Anyone? The one that completely annihilates the windows smart phone and is a terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?


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11 Feb 2011, 6:59 am

Fuzzy wrote:
nodice1996 wrote:
Remember the HP linux netbook? Anyone? The one that was completely converted into HP-OS, and was a completely terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?


Remember the Android phone? Anyone? The one that completely annihilates the windows smart phone and is a terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?

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11 Feb 2011, 9:11 am

Fuzzy wrote:
nodice1996 wrote:
Remember the HP linux netbook? Anyone? The one that was completely converted into HP-OS, and was a completely terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?


Remember the Android phone? Anyone? The one that completely annihilates the windows smart phone and is a terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?

From what I gather, most implementations really are a terrible perversion of Linux. A friend of mine recently voided his warranty in order to get rid of the crapware on his Droid.


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11 Feb 2011, 12:52 pm

I use Ubuntu as dual boot on my windows machine.


I truly don't understand WHY the ubuntu people dont just make the OS include compatibility with Directx/Direct3d and other programs needed to run pc games and other graphic related stuff... and make the interface a little bit more less-techie. At that point Ubuntu would be insanely superior OS for both work and play.



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11 Feb 2011, 2:56 pm

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I truly don't understand WHY the ubuntu people dont just make the OS include compatibility with Directx/Direct3d and other programs needed to run pc games and other graphic related stuff...

Um... because that is neither technically nor legally possible. DirectX is a proprietary Microsoft technology, and there is no way in hell they're going to license it out to a competitor.

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and make the interface a little bit more less-techie.

I have no idea what you could possibly mean by this. I spent last afternoon, last night, and this morning working on installing Windows 7. It was a f*****g ordeal, and it actually would not have been possible at all if I didn't have access to another computer to download ethernet and wifi drivers. Much, much harder than installing Debian. And compared to Ubuntu? A monkey could install and set up Ubuntu.


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11 Feb 2011, 6:07 pm

Usually a monkey can install Ubuntu sometimes there are compatibility issues, like with broadcom wifi cards. But usually if not always these can be fixed by either having another computer or just doing your research before hand.



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11 Feb 2011, 7:06 pm

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Usually a monkey can install Ubuntu sometimes there are compatibility issues, like with broadcom wifi cards. But usually if not always these can be fixed by either having another computer or just doing your research before hand.


Did you know that issue is almost entirely fixed? Broadcom released drivers late last year. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2486458776.html


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11 Feb 2011, 7:15 pm

nodice1996 wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
nodice1996 wrote:
Remember the HP linux netbook? Anyone? The one that was completely converted into HP-OS, and was a completely terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?


Remember the Android phone? Anyone? The one that completely annihilates the windows smart phone and is a terrible perversion of linux? Anyone at all?

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You are a good sport sir. I really liked the snark of your comment so I had to throw it back, and you took it like a man.


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11 Feb 2011, 7:25 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Usually a monkey can install Ubuntu sometimes there are compatibility issues, like with broadcom wifi cards. But usually if not always these can be fixed by either having another computer or just doing your research before hand.


Did you know that issue is almost entirely fixed? Broadcom released drivers late last year. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2486458776.html


Nope I did not, installed it on this machine in august. But have all manufacturers released drivers?



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11 Feb 2011, 7:40 pm

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Um... because that is neither technically nor legally possible. DirectX is a proprietary Microsoft technology, and there is no way in hell they're going to license it out to a competitor.


Then ubuntu / linux people really need to get crackin' and develop something that will do the same that directx does for games. :P

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and make the interface a little bit more less-techie.

I have no idea what you could possibly mean by this.[/quote]

I know I can install and use Ubuntu.. but my parents cannot and people who only know windows cannot. Making it a bit more.. win95'ish ... would do the trick. Its not about functionality but about interface.



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12 Feb 2011, 2:29 am

Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Usually a monkey can install Ubuntu sometimes there are compatibility issues, like with broadcom wifi cards. But usually if not always these can be fixed by either having another computer or just doing your research before hand.


Did you know that issue is almost entirely fixed? Broadcom released drivers late last year. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2486458776.html

Entirely fixed, actually. Ubuntu includes the proprietary drivers necessary to make any Broadcom wifi card work, and they have for a couple years now. It should just be a matter of checking a box and saying "yes, I want to use proprietary drivers, please install them for me."

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Then ubuntu / linux people really need to get crackin' and develop something that will do the same that directx does for games.

They already did. It's called OpenGL, and it's been around since the 90s.

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I know I can install and use Ubuntu.. but my parents cannot and people who only know windows cannot. Making it a bit more.. win95'ish ... would do the trick. Its not about functionality but about interface.

I just now installed Windows 7, which is touted as the most user-friendly version of Windows yet. It was much, much harder to install than Debian. Debian in turn is harder to set up than Ubuntu. Linux Mint is easier to install and set up than Mac OS X.

And the Windows interface is an obfuscated mess. They don't put anything in places that make any sort of sense, and you have to dig so many layers deep to complete the most basic of tasks.


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12 Feb 2011, 3:33 am

Orwell wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Usually a monkey can install Ubuntu sometimes there are compatibility issues, like with broadcom wifi cards. But usually if not always these can be fixed by either having another computer or just doing your research before hand.


Did you know that issue is almost entirely fixed? Broadcom released drivers late last year. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2486458776.html

Entirely fixed, actually. Ubuntu includes the proprietary drivers necessary to make any Broadcom wifi card work, and they have for a couple years now. It should just be a matter of checking a box and saying "yes, I want to use proprietary drivers, please install them for me."


Includes them but you still need an Internet connection to install them(unless you can do this at installation?) which requires an Ethernet plug-in.



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12 Feb 2011, 12:21 pm

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Then ubuntu / linux people really need to get crackin' and develop something that will do the same that directx does for games.

They already did. It's called OpenGL, and it's been around since the 90s.
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OpenGL doesn't have anywhere near the capabilities the win based DirectX/Direct3D have :( . The few MMO's I knew that once supported linux based systems using openGL ceased to support it because it just couldnt keep up.

Sure would be nice though... if Ubuntu put a priority on improving the OpenGL system and marketted its OS as a free, high performing gaming OS platform that incidentally does everything else better than windows it would take a big chunk of consumer market.