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05 Mar 2011, 9:33 pm

well, maybe...

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NASA scientist finds evidence of alien life

Bacteria in Meteorites Aliens Journal of Cosmology

Aliens exist, and we have proof.

That astonishingly awesome claim comes from Dr. Richard B. Hoover, an astrobiologist at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, who says he has found conclusive evidence of alien life — fossils of bacteria found in an extremely rare class of meteorite called CI1 carbonaceous chondrites. (There are only nine such meteorites on planet Earth.) Hoover’s findings were published late Friday night in the Journal of Cosmology, a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

“I interpret it as indicating that life is more broadly distributed than restricted strictly to the planet earth,” Hoover, who has spent more than 10 years studying meteorites around the world, told FoxNews.com in an interview. “This field of study has just barely been touched — because quite frankly, a great many scientist would say that this is impossible.”

Hoover discovered the fossils by breaking apart the CI1 meteorite, and analyzing the exposed rock with a scanning-electron microscope and a field emission electron-scanning microscope, which allowed him to detect any fossil remains. What he found were fossils of micro-organisms, many of which he says are strikingly similar to those found on our own planet.

“The exciting thing is that they are in many cases recognizable and can be associated very closely with the generic species here on earth,” said Hoover. Some of the fossils, however, are quite odd. “There are some that are just very strange and don’t look like anything that I’ve been able to identify, and I’ve shown them to many other experts that have also come up stump.”

In order to satisfy the inevitable hoard of buzz-killing skeptics, Hoover’s study and evidence were made available to his peers in the scientific community in advance of the study’s publications, giving them a chance to thoroughly dissect his findings. Comments from those who decided to sift through the evidence will be published online, alongside the study.

“Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5,000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis,” writes Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics scientist Dr. Rudy Schild, who serves as the Journal of Cosmology’s editor-in-chief. “No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting, and never before in the history of science has the scientific community been given the opportunity to critically analyze an important research paper before it is published.”

Needless to say, if Hoover’s conclusions are found to be accurate, the implications for human life will be staggering. Here’s to hoping that he’s right.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/nasascientistfindsevidenceofalienlife


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05 Mar 2011, 9:49 pm

Tollorin wrote:
“I interpret it as indicating that life is more broadly distributed than restricted strictly to the planet earth,” Hoover, who has spent more than 10 years studying meteorites around the world, told FoxNews.com in an interview. “This field of study has just barely been touched — because quite frankly, a great many scientist would say that this is impossible.”


Always nice to know that the majority of the scientists is no more different then the rest of the world when talking in terms of out-of-the-box thinking :wall:.


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05 Mar 2011, 11:58 pm

There's a rock outside my house that isn't shaped like the rocks around it. I know the majority of close-minded "scientists" would point out that it is the exact shape of the rocks that were recently installed around a neighbor's house, and it might have simply fallen off the truck, but I choose to interpret it as meaning that rocks are actually shape-shifting life forms!

Hey, it makes about as much sense as Hoover's claim...


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06 Mar 2011, 12:49 am

They need to verify that the meteorite in question wasn't part of the earth at one time and got blasted into space by a large asteroid. If some of the microbes in the rock look similar to microbes on earth, then perhaps they need to consider that the microbes are from earth and that the stranger looking ones went extinct long ago and we haven't found any other fossils of them. This Hoover guy failed to apply Occam's Razor before shooting his mouth off to the press.

Personally, I'd like to find out there is live out there, but the evidence hasn't solidified yet.


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06 Mar 2011, 3:52 am

John_Browning wrote:
They need to verify that the meteorite in question wasn't part of the earth at one time and got blasted into space by a large asteroid. If some of the microbes in the rock look similar to microbes on earth, then perhaps they need to consider that the microbes are from earth and that the stranger looking ones went extinct long ago and we haven't found any other fossils of them. This Hoover guy failed to apply Occam's Razor before shooting his mouth off to the press.

Personally, I'd like to find out there is live out there, but the evidence hasn't solidified yet.


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06 Mar 2011, 11:57 am

While chunks of Mars and the Moon have been found on Earth, there is no evidence of anything from outside the Solar System.

About the only thing that would make it between stars are the results of Super Nova, and that would take a while. It would be iron, and no life in stars.

The farthest local would be comets, but life would not develop on a comet and become earth like.

Another vote for earth splatter. We have the craters, something became of the missing crust. 4/5ths of the crust is missing.

I do think life is older than the earth, some five billion years ago when the newly formed earth cooled, there is DNA, not a local product. Long times went by before the first life became the complex forms this story describes. Show me the seeds of Bluegreen Algae.

That is where life starts, and one of the forms that could survive passage through space, then revive when conditions were right.

The first Universe blew up ten billion years ago. It's stars were made of gas, there was nothing solid, till they blew up. The Earth is not made of material ejected from the Sun, it existed before the Sun formed in Universe Two.

Our Solar System is made of recycled materials.

That points to all of the Universe being seeded from the first Universe, and all life starting from the same DNA.

Life is everywhere it could survive, all starting from the same DNA.

Earth size, liquid water, a moon, and the most likely outcome is Reptiles.

Intelligent Reptiles are the most likely life form through the Universe. Our efforts have been directed at contacting Mammals, a prey species.

Reptiles would also make the best space travelers, for they hibernate.

Here we are, sending out the squeekings of a prey species. Reptile eggs would need little life support to cross between the stars and hatch on a food rich planet.

Think of the Raptors from Jurrasic Park, plus a hundred million years of development.

Our Scientists are still flaking rocks.



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06 Mar 2011, 2:05 pm

Dr. Richard B. Hoover has made this claim before. I am quite hopeful that it turns out to be true, but I suspect he operates with a foregone conclusion. He says there are very 'alien' looking structures, but they could just be long extinct organisms from Earth. As John_Browning said, they must first guarantee it isn't originally from Earth. Dr. Hoover has good intentions but he has jumped the gun early twice now. Doing this stresses the credibility of other, similar finds that may happen that might actually be extraterrestrial in nature

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Reptiles have no need to evolve to that point, they've had a long enough time for it to happen. They occupy their niche and are essentially perfect. Anything we find that resembles reptiles will likely be similar in appearance only


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06 Mar 2011, 3:47 pm

As an aside:

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06 Mar 2011, 4:06 pm

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06 Mar 2011, 6:17 pm

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Earth size, liquid water, a moon, and the most likely outcome is Reptiles.

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The most likely outcome is single celled biota. For the first 2.5 billion years of life on this planet we had only single celled living entities. We did not get very complex living beings until the last 500 million years or so.

If you weight out the living material on this planet, by weight over 90 percent is single celled.

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06 Mar 2011, 6:20 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
There's a rock outside my house that isn't shaped like the rocks around it. I know the majority of close-minded "scientists" would point out that it is the exact shape of the rocks that were recently installed around a neighbor's house, and it might have simply fallen off the truck, but I choose to interpret it as meaning that rocks are actually shape-shifting life forms!

Hey, it makes about as much sense as Hoover's claim...


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06 Mar 2011, 6:23 pm

John_Browning wrote:
They need to verify that the meteorite in question wasn't part of the earth at one time and got blasted into space by a large asteroid. If some of the microbes in the rock look similar to microbes on earth, then perhaps they need to consider that the microbes are from earth and that the stranger looking ones went extinct long ago and we haven't found any other fossils of them. This Hoover guy failed to apply Occam's Razor before shooting his mouth off to the press.

Personally, I'd like to find out there is live out there, but the evidence hasn't solidified yet.


With the vastness of space, what are the odds that a piece of the prehistoric earth has come full circle and landed before our sun went supernova?


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07 Mar 2011, 2:18 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Personally, I'd like to find out there is live out there, but the evidence hasn't solidified yet.


With the vastness of space, what are the odds that a piece of the prehistoric earth has come full circle and landed before our sun went supernova?[/quote]

Pretty good if the piece flew off at less than escape velocity.

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07 Mar 2011, 2:22 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
They need to verify that the meteorite in question wasn't part of the earth at one time and got blasted into space by a large asteroid. If some of the microbes in the rock look similar to microbes on earth, then perhaps they need to consider that the microbes are from earth and that the stranger looking ones went extinct long ago and we haven't found any other fossils of them. This Hoover guy failed to apply Occam's Razor before shooting his mouth off to the press.

Personally, I'd like to find out there is live out there, but the evidence hasn't solidified yet.


With the vastness of space, what are the odds that a piece of the prehistoric earth has come full circle and landed before our sun went supernova?


Actually I'd say the chances are pretty good. Weirder things have been known to happen. Earth rocks end up on Mars. Its not that hard for me to imagine a rock thrown off by the K-T impact event being thrown out to an unstable orbit where it ends up being tossed back at Earth millions of years later


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07 Mar 2011, 1:26 pm

Good to know. I learned a bit about this stuff, but it's never been a special interest so I wasn't sure. lol


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07 Mar 2011, 1:58 pm

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... meteorite/


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