UK's biggest ISP ordered to crack down on piracy

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28 Jul 2011, 6:10 am

From the BBC website:

"A High Court judge has ruled that BT(British Telecom) must block access to a website which provides links to pirated movies.

Newzbin 2 is a members-only site which aggregates a large amount of the illegally copied material found on Usenet discussion forums. The landmark case is the first time that an ISP has been ordered to block access to such a site. It paves the way for other sites to be blocked as part of a major crackdown on piracy."

Full story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14322957



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28 Jul 2011, 11:45 am

Lol

What a load of crap. Onion routing makes these types of blocking techniques completely redundant.

BT may aswell quit while there ahead.



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28 Jul 2011, 12:18 pm

:roll: What a load of ol' toss.
Plus, it will make sod-all difference - more will pop up to replace this site.

But it is a further movement down a nasty, slippery slope: BT does not intend to appeal the ruling.


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28 Jul 2011, 12:26 pm

we had a similar ruling a couple of years back against piratebay.org

the judge actually said he had no knowledge of computers and they still allowed him to judge the case.

it is internet censorship as most of these sites actually do not contain a single illegal piece of data, just an index of where to find everything else.
its like ruling google to be illegal because you can search for illegal topics lijke child pornography, ridicoulous.

the way it was formulated the ISP shared all responsibility of what was in its "pipes" meaning i cant wait to file charges when the first child pornographer gets chaught on the danish nets.


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28 Jul 2011, 12:37 pm

Pretty much agree with both. Certainly, once one 'source' disappears another seems to pop up from nowhere.

But it took the BBC a while to realise the significance of this judgement. This is a legal first and, perhaps like Cornflake, I think this is the first step on what could turn out to be a very dark path.



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28 Jul 2011, 1:49 pm

What is even funnier is that Bt actually provide Usenet access for free and actually mirror loads of copyrighted stuff on the servers themselves.

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28 Jul 2011, 2:39 pm

Oodain wrote:
the ISP shared all responsibility of what was in its "pipes"
This is one of the most ridiculous aspects of it - they might as well hold electricity companies responsible for providing the power which allows it to happen at all, or networking equipment manufacturers for actively routing packets - because surely, that makes them all "enablers" too.


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28 Jul 2011, 2:41 pm

Tom_Kakes wrote:
What is even funnier is that Bt actually provide Usenet access for free and actually mirror loads of copyrighted stuff on the servers themselves.
:lol: It's brilliant, isn't it? Utterly no clue whatever.


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28 Jul 2011, 2:51 pm

This is not about the demise of a site. This is not about the part BT plays either. This is about something much darker. Setting a legal precedent on which to build.



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28 Jul 2011, 3:11 pm

Yes, exactly. This is a test run to see what can be made to stick. And it has.
I wonder if anyone would dare try to take on Google for the same "making content available" claims? No, thought not...


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28 Jul 2011, 3:25 pm

It doesn't worry me. The internet is all about its users. They can waste their money by the bucket-load if they like.

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28 Jul 2011, 3:27 pm

Cornflake wrote:
This is a test run to see what can be made to stick. And it has.


That's why I was surprised the BBC didn't seem to realise quite what had happened. A UK court ordering a UK ISP to block access to a UK site? I looked for the best part of four hours, but I found no precedent.

Annoyingly, the usual media outlets are touting this as a case of BT being forced to comply by a court acting on behalf of a set of Hollywood content providers. I'd be very surprised if BT was anything other than a willing defendant and complicit from the start. It has so much to gain from this judgement and nothing at all to lose.



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28 Jul 2011, 3:33 pm

pratchettfan wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
This is a test run to see what can be made to stick. And it has.


That's why I was surprised the BBC didn't seem to realise quite what had happened. A UK court ordering a UK ISP to block access to a UK site? I looked for the best part of four hours, but I found no precedent.

Annoyingly, the usual media outlets are touting this as a case of BT being forced to comply by a court acting on behalf of a set of Hollywood content providers. I'd be very surprised if BT was anything other than a willing defendant and complicit from the start. It has so much to gain from this judgement aned nothing at all to lose.


Yup the beeb don't care about net nutrality no more. Their agenda gets more conservative with every murmer of a license fee cut.



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28 Jul 2011, 5:12 pm

just for clarification what i was talking about is the danish law that set precedent about 5 years back or some such,

i like to liken the law to places like north korea, iran and similar (all places of heavy censorship), many authority figures in denmark will shake their head and deny censorship (where has all the education gone? seems to sum it up)

computer use in this day and age has as much importance as language in many western nations, why they only briefly touch the subject in schools i will never know.


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03 Aug 2011, 12:55 pm

Finally, we get some semblance of sense. Let's see where this goes.

On which note.....I'm.....err.....trying to download a very important 'historical reference' video in the form of a 657Mb .avi file..... :roll: .

Does anyone here know anything about uploadstation.com? I'm getting the run-around in the style of Oron's 'You have failed the captcha too many times....'. Any help would be appreciated. Carry on.