Is mathematics a psychedelic experience with visualization?

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30 Nov 2011, 6:15 pm

When reading forums of people who had no interest in mathematics whats so ever , taking a small does of LSD seemed to do the thing. They were suddenly mentioning :

This proof was by a man on LSD -

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[Suppose numbers exist. Thus QED. Suppose however that nothing exists.
Therefor] nothing exists. The set of this nothing is the empty set. The empty
set has 0 elements, thus 0 exists. Thus the set S={0} exists. S has 1
element. therefor 1 exists. Thus the set S'={0,1} exists. |S'|=2, thus 2
exists. Thus the set S''={0,1,2} exists. |S''|=3. Thus 3 exists. etc.
[Q.E.D.]

It seems that LSD suddenly breaks through the creative block:

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i remember before i took lsd, i would always say i hated math this and that. in highschool i never cared about learning and never paid attention in math class, either i thought math was too hard most likely because i just didnt want to put the effort in. kind of hated school as well as i always felt since i started smoking ganja that everything they teach in schools is twisted lies and brainwashing propaganda to dehumanize people in order to make people able to function in this competitive cut throat society where they teach people it's okay to f**k your brother in the ass for a few dollars.

after i took lsd for a little while, it broke down the mental wall i had up about math. i realized that math inst like all the other school courses that teach soft theories and are more or less just opinions on what is right and wrong. with math, i realized it is always right, there is never a time when someone's opinion can change the truth of a math problem, like 2 and 2 is always gonna be four. it made me feel more positive about learning it made me more open to how compelling math can actually be. it didn't make me smarter or anything, just showed me there is no reason to fear math and that it is actually pretty sweet, it just takes hard studying and a lot of thinking.

also like to thank coaster for inspiring me to work on my math as well



Mathematics with LSD is extremely visual in nature:

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While most people talk about drawing and see visuals, I decided to derive Laplace's Equation for a steady state 2-D plate.
It was not something I planned to do; by that I mean I did not get my HW out, take a few hits of LSD, and then try to go to work. I remember just grabbing a piece of paper and pen and started to try to figure it out. I'm an engineering student and know how to solve it analytically and numerically but I never had it explained why/how Laplaces's Equation works. I found I could see the 3D graph of the solution (example) better and I could almost rotate the 3D graph in my head. Besides that I did not feel like I could do math any better or worse. After 5-30??? minutes (I had no sense of time) of doing this a just got bored with it and concluded Laplace was a f*****g genius and I was not. A week or two after than I grabbed a PDE book from the library that explained Laplace's Equation better.



Here's an interesting look at mathematics on LSD:

[youtube]http://vimeo.com/10584463[/youtube]

Here are super cool link on mathematical visual demonstrations:
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/
http://www.pond5.com/stock-video-footag ... atics.html
http://www.redbubble.com/explore/abstra ... athematics

Also note that 60% of autistics learn visually and most have insights that take 2 obscure concepts and makes a clear connection because our neurons are all tangled up.

LSD makes people think in creative ways , Autistics are already creative. Look at history.

Autstics are able to hyperfocus and completely absorb into a special interest , much like LSD except that with LSD it's more voluntary.

So essentially being autistic is like being on a very low dose of LSD.

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My question is does mathematics look psychedelic just by looking at visual representations of it , LSD provides a glimpse into how the greatest mathematicians think just by showing anecdotes from users. Just looking at fractals , is mindblowing. Imagine what the mathematical universe could be like? How disconnected from reality it really is?



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30 Nov 2011, 6:19 pm

No.

Hallucinogens are not needed to understand mathematics, and mathematical understanding does not lead to hallucinogenic use.


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30 Nov 2011, 6:24 pm

Indeed the article does suggest that , but it does not pertain to the OP's question.



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30 Nov 2011, 6:40 pm

This interesting this man in the study/article suggests you need LSD to understand the beauty of maths. I have never appreciated maths but my dad loves maths. As he puts it maths "is the only true language in the universe". As in this article/study puts it, maths: " is always right, there is never a time when someone's opinion can change the truth of a math problem" I can relate to fractals, they maths used in a visual sense. If anyone has ever tried LSD , they'll tell you they often see fractals. Fractals are beautiful :)



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30 Nov 2011, 6:58 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if actual students started taking it , and I'm sure they've already had.



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07 Dec 2011, 1:42 pm

Fnord wrote:
Hallucinogens are not needed to understand mathematics, and mathematical understanding does not lead to hallucinogenic use.


I get moments of pure bliss from my work (and play) with mathematics, and from mathematical visualization, no drugs required. Kekulé described the same kind of experience in first visualizing the C6 carbon ring structure of benzene.

There are some excellent exploration and visualization environments where you can live out these experiences, and maybe discover useful results.