Buildt a CERN rival partical accelerator... for protons

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Did any of you all read that dumb s**t? Yes, it's GREAT to build one that will seperate protons but to call it CERN worthy in the media??????? I mean really. WTF DUDE???? And I'm not even that much of a science nerd but I'm pissed. He got all kinds of f*****g kudos and s**t for it.

I misspelled on purpose. Or should I say perpuse.

What are you talking about?

ruveyn

Sorry, I was drunk. Some kid built a particle accelerator for a science project. The media touted as rivaling CERN. It's not. His only does protons.

But though, this knowledge saved me from a meth house last night. Read the post in Members Only

Of course paying attention that it might be a meth house may save me from going to one beforehand, but I didn't know till I got there. Yeah, like I said, I pass for NT 95% of the time. That's the 5%.

I don't know the source, but if a kid built one for a science project... by himself... that does rival cern... THAT is an amazing achievement.

For the record... The LHC at CERN only accelerates protons as well... That is what ALL particle accelerators do... Neutrons cannot be accelerated as a particle, because they have no charge, and electrons are essentially massless particles and are useless for high energy collisions

no the LHC can also run in lead-proton, lead-lead, lead-gold, gold-gold and gold-proton configurations.

i think i heard brian cox say that they could in principle use elektrons as well, but that they have no reason to configure it to do so.

also elektrons are far from useless in the context of high energy particle physics, the structure of the hydrogen atom was probed using elektrons fired from a partice accelerator.

the LEP that was located at CERN before LHC was specialized in ultra high energy elektron collisions.

since enrgy is what determines resolution i highly doubt that he built anything that gets near the energies of the LHC, that is where the actual issue lies, building a a particle accelerator in itself doesnt have to be that hard, in principle an old cathode ray tube is a particle accelerator in itself.

Yes... their protons from any of those sources are what are being fired. It is capable of firing heavy ions... all of them are.

but my point is the same... it takes those sources, strips them of their electrons and fires them. The particles fired are composed primarily of protons... All particle accelerators operate on this principle. I am sorry that I neglected to mention that in a few instances, they will not be removing the neutrons.

BUT... my point is still valid... that is how ALL particle accelerators work... Please note that all experiments at the LHC have involved only a proton stream, and there are not any plans to abandon that configuration.

http://lhc-machine-outreach.web.cern.ch ... ch-faq.htm

which wasnt what i said,
i specified that as far as i had heard they have no practical reason to use elektrons in the LHC, but they could configure it.

my point being that not all particle accelerators use protons, there are plenty that use(or used) elektrons as well,.

(actually it is precicesly because they have so low a mass that elektrons were used, it allows a higher relativstic speed with less energy)




as far as i can tell it stood where the LHC stands today.

According to my research, an electron collider uses a drastically different mechanism than a positive particle collider (not an industry term, I fabricated that specifically to refer to the charge of the particles).

If there is documentation that states that the LHC can use an electron source, I would love to read it

there isnt documentation,
it was a single sentence uttered by brian cox in a lecture, i can pm a link if you want.

as far as i understood it he didnt say that it could currently, only that it could be configured, what that actually means is pure guess work, it could mean a retooling of several components, a reconfiguration of the containment magnets in the main chamber, or simply that they havent designed the automation to allow it to happen, something where a software update could essentially allow it to happen.

the largest difference as far as i can tell is in the injection accelerator, of which there are a couple at LHC, one of them was used in the LEP and should still be capable of accelerating electrons.



Super Proton Synchrotron

it is currently used as a last stage accelerator before injection into the main containment and collision ring.