Forget Mars! Let's go to Titan
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Mars is more or less a cold lifeless desert. Given this new discovery I say that we've sent enough probes to Mars already and it's time to send a probe just like Curiosity to explore the Surface of Titan. Only 1 probe has ever visited Titans surface since the Space Age began whereas there have been well over 10 Martian probes.
A manned mission to Mars is a waste of money compared to a manned mission to Titan. I honestly do wonder if the motive for all these Martian missions, particularly by NASA, is that Mars is more exciting to the general public than Titan.
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We must walk before we can run (or crawl before we can walk and then run). Not a lot of folks can see into the future and in a society like ours where speed is everything I doubt anyone would be patient enough to see through a project like you suggested. But I don't think it hasn't been already suggested by NASA already. The way I see it they must work with what they have first.
I, for one, would love to see the conclusion on Curiosity's mission. I suspect that when our star was young the planet Mars may have held suitable conditions for life (mind you, that at that time the planet Earth was pretty much a hostile place). Whatever happened to it from there to now is open to a wide range of theories. I guess we are just trying to corroborate the idea that Mars did have life.
It will be ironic when our star swells up into a massive beast and all their (those peeps from the article) ideas come true. Whenever the moon Titan evolves well enough to send its life-forms into space and they will be looking at our dead planet wondering if there was ever life on it. Makes me think of past-Mars (if it did happened) and its creatures lamenting their doom and gazing at Earth, fantasizing about its future promise of life.
I am not the general public, but a moon with an atmosphere is already exciting in my book. I also don't think NASA is planning on sending people to Mars anytime soon. There was such a fancy notion scheduled to happen sometime in 2020, but alas, money problems got in the way. However, there is a group that is thinking about doing it ( Click Me ) I do hope they succeed because I'm totally signing up for it ![]()
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I, for one, would love to see the conclusion on Curiosity's mission. I suspect that when our star was young the planet Mars may have held suitable conditions for life (mind you, that at that time the planet Earth was pretty much a hostile place). Whatever happened to it from there to now is open to a wide range of theories. I guess we are just trying to corroborate the idea that Mars did have life.
It will be ironic when our star swells up into a massive beast and all their (those peeps from the article) ideas come true. Whenever the moon Titan evolves well enough to send its life-forms into space and they will be looking at our dead planet wondering if there was ever life on it. Makes me think of past-Mars (if it did happened) and its creatures lamenting their doom and gazing at Earth, fantasizing about its future promise of life.
I am not the general public, but a moon with an atmosphere is already exciting in my book. I also don't think NASA is planning on sending people to Mars anytime soon. There was such a fancy notion scheduled to happen sometime in 2020, but alas, money problems got in the way. However, there is a group that is thinking about doing it ( Click Me ) I do hope they succeed because I'm totally signing up for it
My point is not that there should be immediate plans for a MANNED mission to Titan, but that we've already sent enough probes to Mars as it is. It's time for the next batch of interplanetary probes to head for Titan as there has only been 1(Cassini Huygens) and after the conclusion of the Curiosity mission, I'm skeptical that there really is anything more for interplanetary probes to find there.
Mars is very much a fossil planet that suffered geological death and thus any life that was there(if at all) went extinct and the planet is no longer habitable. That is why terraforming Mars is pipe dream: There is no magnetic field and thus no plasma sheath in the upper atmosphere to prevent deadly radiation from reaching the surface.
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i think you are right in saying that we need more probes in general, especially towards POI's.
that said mars will be a nice location for a manned mission, we need something to kickstart the space revolution.
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I was always interested in Titan. I always hear Europa as being the moon with life on it. It's cool to think that there could be not one, not two, but three life-supporting worlds in one solar system.
I also hear speculation about Triton, one of Neptune's moons, which has lots of carbon and is heated by it's weird orbit. That one seems pretty unlikely though.
I also hear speculation about Triton, one of Neptune's moons, which has lots of carbon and is heated by it's weird orbit. That one seems pretty unlikely though.
There is no evidence whatsoever of any life on Europa. You probably *heard* that from Arthur C Clarke in his Space Odyssey series!
Mars is more or less a cold lifeless desert. Given this new discovery I say that we've sent enough probes to Mars already and it's time to send a probe just like Curiosity to explore the Surface of Titan. Only 1 probe has ever visited Titans surface since the Space Age began whereas there have been well over 10 Martian probes.
A manned mission to Mars is a waste of money compared to a manned mission to Titan. I honestly do wonder if the motive for all these Martian missions, particularly by NASA, is that Mars is more exciting to the general public than Titan.
we can colonize Titan. Are there any resources on Titan whose recovery will pay the cost of exploring Titan. If there is no profit to be had, what would we gain by going there. If we colonize the Moon which is feasible there may be Hydrogen 3 deposits we can mine for purposes of nuclear fusion. Also the Dark Side of the Moon is perfect for building observatories. At least we can get some use from the Moon.
Why go to Titan?
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Actually, Fnord, there's something going on on the surface of Titan that's either a weird chemical reaction, or evidence of the life cycle of a microbe capable of processing ammonia into hydrocarbons. Either way, it's interesting, and potentially profitable...
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I also hear speculation about Triton, one of Neptune's moons, which has lots of carbon and is heated by it's weird orbit. That one seems pretty unlikely though.
There is no evidence whatsoever of any life on Europa. You probably *heard* that from Arthur C Clarke in his Space Odyssey series!
I've heard several science documentaries talk about how the gravity of Jupiter would create tidal forces that would warm Europa. Scientists believe that beneath Europa's layer of ice (which would protect it from radiation) Lies an ocean that may be warmed by Jupiter's gravity or by underwater volcanos (similar to what is seen on earth) created by Jupiter's gravity exerting tidal forces on Europa's core. According to the documentaries many scientists believe life could exist on Europa.
At least, the only solid evidence for life anywhere in the entire universe is found only on Earth.
So let's spend the money to make life worthwhile here before we use it to go blasting off to some cryogenic hell-hole.
So Fnord, why send probes to Mars eh?
Also, what proof do you have that Titan is lifeLess? I don't claim that there IS life there, but the prospects of life existing on Titan are much greater than ANY OTHER NONTERRESTRIAL OBJECT IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
I also hear speculation about Triton, one of Neptune's moons, which has lots of carbon and is heated by it's weird orbit. That one seems pretty unlikely though.
There is no evidence whatsoever of any life on Europa. You probably *heard* that from Arthur C Clarke in his Space Odyssey series!
I've heard several science documentaries talk about how the gravity of Jupiter would create tidal forces that would warm Europa. Scientists believe that beneath Europa's layer of ice (which would protect it from radiation) Lies an ocean that may be warmed by Jupiter's gravity or by underwater volcanos (similar to what is seen on earth) created by Jupiter's gravity exerting tidal forces on Europa's core. According to the documentaries many scientists believe life could exist on Europa.
Tensu, it is becoming increasingly clear that life here on Earth began at the surface and required sunlight to get it going. Europa's ice sheet is far too thick for any sunlight to penetrate and it's questionable how much heat there is down there and if there are the right conditions for life to form in darkness. There is life on Earth that does not require life, but those critters are descended ultimately from a common ancestor which was photosynthetic.
Where did you hear this? Last I heard everyone was saying the undersea volcanos were the most likely place, but that was a LONG time ago.
Mars is more or less a cold lifeless desert. Given this new discovery I say that we've sent enough probes to Mars already and it's time to send a probe just like Curiosity to explore the Surface of Titan. Only 1 probe has ever visited Titans surface since the Space Age began whereas there have been well over 10 Martian probes.
A manned mission to Mars is a waste of money compared to a manned mission to Titan. I honestly do wonder if the motive for all these Martian missions, particularly by NASA, is that Mars is more exciting to the general public than Titan.
we can colonize Titan. Are there any resources on Titan whose recovery will pay the cost of exploring Titan. If there is no profit to be had, what would we gain by going there. If we colonize the Moon which is feasible there may be Hydrogen 3 deposits we can mine for purposes of nuclear fusion. Also the Dark Side of the Moon is perfect for building observatories. At least we can get some use from the Moon.
Why go to Titan?
ruveyn
The extreme cold and toxic atmosphere would make life on Titan for humans impossible without a significant source of energy and a way to grow food, so colonizing Titan is unlikely. The purpose of future probes to Titan, and even a manned mission to Titan, is to explore. Was it profitable for Earnest Shackleton and Richard Byrd to visit Antarctica? How much did Edmund Hillary rake in when summiting Mt Chomolungma(Everest)? Trying to impede exploration because it's not profitable is a vulgar and as philistine as a man can get. *spits*
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What's wrong with going to our moon first? It's more feasible to establish ourselves there than anywhere else, and like Ruveyn said, there are resources we can use over there. Plus if we ever figure out a way to extract the raw elements in the lunar regolith, we could use the additive manufacturing process (3d printing) to build future rovers which won't cost hundreds of millions of dollars to launch.
