Looking Beyond Space and Time to Cope With Quantum Theory
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This was just published in Nature Physics. It argues that barring loopholes (unlikely), if the non-local effects observed in Bell-type experiments propagate at any finite speed, then non-locality could be exploited for superluminal communication ('can't stay hidden'):
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The new hidden influence inequality shows that the get-out won't work when it comes to quantum predictions. To derive their inequality, which sets up a measurement of entanglement between four particles, the researchers considered what behaviours are possible for four particles that are connected by influences that stay hidden and that travel at some arbitrary finite speed. Mathematically (and mind-bogglingly), these constraints define an 80-dimensional object. The testable hidden influence inequality is the boundary of the shadow this 80-dimensional shape casts in 44 dimensions. The researchers showed that quantum predictions can lie outside this boundary, which means they are going against one of the assumptions. Outside the boundary, either the influences can't stay hidden, or they must have infinite speed.
Looking Beyond Space and Time to Cope With Quantum Theory
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 142217.htm
Quantum non-locality based on finite-speed causal influences leads to superluminal signalling
http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/vao ... s2460.html
Full article posted in arxiv:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.3795v1.pdf
One of the authors (Gisin) discusses other ramifications in a follow-up piece just posted in arxiv:
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We investigate possible explanations of quantum correlations that satisfy the principle of continuity, which states that everything propagates gradually and continuously through space and time. In particular, following [J.D. Bancal et al, Nature Physics 2012], we show that any combination of local common causes and direct causes satisfying this principle, i.e. propagating at any finite speed, leads to signalling. This is true even if the common and direct causes are allowed to propagate at a supraluminal-but-finite speed defined in a Newtonian-like privileged universal reference frame. Consequently, either there is supraluminal communication or the conclusion that Nature is nonlocal (i.e. discontinuous) is unavoidable.
Quantum correlations in Newtonian space and time: arbitrarily fast communication or nonlocality
http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1210.7308.pdf
Lecture from lead author from Perimeter Institute:
http://pirsa.org/displayFlash.php?id=11110145
Jono wrote:
Interesting, a Bell-like inequality for hidden variables and non-local influences between entangled particles. Yet, quantum mechanics seems to predict the violation of that inequality as well. Well, there goes Bohm's interpretation of quantum mechanics.
This isn't accurate. It doesn't affect Bohmian interpretation. Bohmian mechanics is manifestly non-local. In fact, one of the authors (Gisin) involved in both papers favours a non-local, ontic/realistic interpretation.
As an aside, the recent PBR theorem that has gotten a lot of hype recently does seem to rule out some realistic interpretations but not Bohmian nor Everett:
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Here, there are two choices. On the one hand, there is the option to defy relativity and 'unhide' the influences, which means accepting faster-than-light communication. Relativity is a successful theory that researchers would not call into question lightly, so for many physicists this is seen as the most extreme possibility.
The remaining option is to accept that influences must be infinitely fast -- or that there exists some process that has an equivalent effect when viewed in our spacetime. The current test couldn't distinguish. Either way, it would mean that the Universe is fundamentally nonlocal, in the sense that every bit of the Universe can be connected to any other bit anywhere, instantly. That such connections are possible defies our everyday intuition and represents another extreme solution, but arguably preferable to faster-than-light communication.
The remaining option is to accept that influences must be infinitely fast -- or that there exists some process that has an equivalent effect when viewed in our spacetime. The current test couldn't distinguish. Either way, it would mean that the Universe is fundamentally nonlocal, in the sense that every bit of the Universe can be connected to any other bit anywhere, instantly. That such connections are possible defies our everyday intuition and represents another extreme solution, but arguably preferable to faster-than-light communication.
What do it mean for a part of the Universe to be "connected" instantly with another if it exclude FTL comminication?
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Tollorin wrote:
What do it mean for a part of the Universe to be "connected" instantly with another if it exclude FTL comminication?
The just of the article is that the hidden/private quantum signals that exist between entangled particles/systems cannot remain hidden if the speed of these "private lines" is anything less than infinite velocity/instantaneous. Since one prefers that signals remain hidden/private (so there's no violation of relativity), the more likely choice is that velocity is infinite but private (can't be used for signalling). This is possible if there's a preferred reference frame. What is still strange is the instantaneous (non-local) connection. Assuming a realist interpretation, some have argued that such non-local effects appear to be coming outside space-time. This article discusses the experiment:
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If so, whatever causes entanglement does not travel from one place to the other; the category of “place” simply isn't meaningful to it. It might be said to lie *beyond* spacetime. Two particles that are half a world apart are, in some deeper sense, right on top of each other. If some level of reality underlies quantum mechanics, that level must be non-spatial.
How Quantum Entanglement Transcends Space and Time
http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/994?search=1
If one prefers an epistemic/instrumental/Copenhagen/Fuchian interpretation , then it doesn't matter,
