Page 1 of 1 [ 6 posts ] 

Fatal-Noogie
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Oct 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,069
Location: California coast, United States of America, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, Cosmos

08 Dec 2012, 6:01 pm

For those who don't know factorial system, it works like this:
! means "factorial"
one factorial is 1!=1
2!=2•1=2
3!=3•2•1=6
.
.
.
10!=10•9•8•7•6•5•4•3•2•1=3,628,800
etc etc

Factorials of negative numbers are undefined, and so are factorials of complex numbers (#i+real numbers).

Apparently, factorials work for positive NON-integers. I didn't know until I tried typing it into a calculator.
Now, 0!=1 and 1!=1 , but x! is less than 1 if x is less than 1 .

The factorials of non-integers greater than 1 is as follows.
3.4! = 3.4 • 2.4 • 1.4 • (0.4!)
1.7! = 1.7 • (0.7!)

But how does the calculator solve for factorials less than one? ( 0.4! and 0.7! in the examples.)

The lowest factorial I can find is 0.436594! = 0.87617767556448
What is the significance of these two numbers and why are they the lowest?
(The resolution of my calculator prevents me from investigating further digits. 0.436595! gives me the same answer.)
Is the actual lowest factorial number rational or irrational?


_________________
Curiosity is the greatest virtue.


Fatal-Noogie
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Oct 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,069
Location: California coast, United States of America, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, Cosmos

08 Dec 2012, 6:12 pm

This web calculator may help if you want to try it yourself –> http://web2.0calc.com


_________________
Curiosity is the greatest virtue.


Trencher93
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Age: 126
Gender: Male
Posts: 464

08 Dec 2012, 6:37 pm

Sort of. Factorial itself is not defined for anything but positive integers, but there's a gamma function:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_function



Fatal-Noogie
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Oct 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,069
Location: California coast, United States of America, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, Cosmos

08 Dec 2012, 6:43 pm

Trencher93 wrote:
Sort of. Factorial itself is not defined for anything but positive integers, but there's a gamma function:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_function


Interesting. So if I graph the derivative of the Gamma function, I wonder if it will cross the x-axis at 1 + 0.436594.
I may need to investigate with a graphing calculator when I'm less busy.


_________________
Curiosity is the greatest virtue.


ianorlin
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Oct 2012
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 756

08 Dec 2012, 8:49 pm

Ah wow somone got ehre with the gamma function first.



Fatal-Noogie
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Oct 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,069
Location: California coast, United States of America, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, Cosmos

08 Dec 2012, 8:49 pm

Oh, there's Gamma min right on the wikipedia page. (Thanks again for directing me to the link.)
I can't embed the images for the graphics, but here are the urls anyway

https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/e/a ... 0a52be.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/2/0/3 ... cc5322.png

Quote:
X min ≈ 1.46163
Gamma(X min) ≈ 0.885603

So there is some verification that I was on the right track with those numbers for Gamma min,
but I'm still not sure I understand why they arise there,
instead of say at (1/e)! , Gamma(1+1/e)
or (0.5^0.5)! , Gamma(1+0.5^0.5)
or (golden ratio - 1)! , Gamma(golden ratio)
or some other number that occurs elsewhere in nature.
Perhaps this number for Gamma min occurs elsewhere in nature
like those other irrational numbers listed. If so I am curious to know where.

(By recurring, I mean by virtue of it's mathematical properties,
not because we look for it until we find it by coincidence.)


_________________
Curiosity is the greatest virtue.