looking to get into electronic music. Pointers please.

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06 Mar 2013, 1:12 pm

Sorry wasnt sure if this belongs in the music or technology forum but I'm looking to get into computer music but am a complete novice on a budget.

Can anyone recommend any good cheap (or preferably free) Digital Audio workstations with instruments?

PS I already know about audacity, it has no instruments.


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06 Mar 2013, 1:47 pm

I used to be an expert on the subject but I've been away from it for 10 years and the technology/software left me behind!

You planning on using a MIDI piano keyboard to enter your music or something else?



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06 Mar 2013, 2:06 pm

anvil studio (Win) and Rosegarden (Ubuntu) are free midi apps

if you have macintosh, you get Garageband free

there are tons of free noise generators for windows like SimSynth or Orangator (they produce .wav samples from noise oscillators which is all midi instruments are really - u can then arrange the .wavs in audacity or another DAW)

Cubase - pretty cheap with a student/edu license. you could also get a copy of Cubase SX3 which is technically "abandon-ware" - not sure about the legal grey area tho...

Or Cubase for Atari?

Reason and cubase together are the damage - but they're definitely not cheap....


Or if you have a ZX Spectrum, you can buy a "Spec-drum" with sample packs for about 30 quid
probably something similar for BBCs?

or you could look for free sample packs for Akai MPCs? (they just come as .wavs)

Ardour - with JACK u can sync it to rosegarden for Audio + MIDI, again free

or a Casio SA or SK series keyboard - you could get into "circuit bending"?

if you want to go along the hardware route, you could always find cheap stuff on ebay like what fatboy slim/pink floyd et al use - TB303s, 808s, 909s, MPCs, Sinthi-A, melotron, mini moog, theremin, waldorf pulse etc



EDIT: I've just remembered: head on over to http://www.audiotool.com - it has a free online MIDI/DAW/Sampler :D


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06 Mar 2013, 2:10 pm

BlueMax wrote:
I used to be an expert on the subject but I've been away from it for 10 years and the technology/software left me behind!

You planning on using a MIDI piano keyboard to enter your music or something else?


i looked into getting a little 2 octave USB keyboard for £30 (about $50) but wasnt sure if its worth the money.

Hoping to get a free DAW program with virtual instruments built in if possible.


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06 Mar 2013, 2:11 pm

StevieC wrote:
anvil studio (Win) and Rosegarden (Ubuntu) are free midi apps

if you have macintosh, you get Garageband free

there are tons of free noise generators for windows like SimSynth or Orangator (they produce .wav samples from noise oscillators which is all midi instruments are really - u can then arrange the .wavs in audacity or another DAW)

Cubase - pretty cheap with a student/edu license. you could also get a copy of Cubase SX3 which is technically "abandon-ware" - not sure about the legal grey area tho...

Or Cubase for Atari?

Reason and cubase together are the damage - but they're definitely not cheap....


Or if you have a ZX Spectrum, you can buy a "Spec-drum" with sample packs for about 30 quid
probably something similar for BBCs?

or you could look for free sample packs for Akai MPCs? (they just come as .wavs)

Ardour - with JACK u can sync it to rosegarden for Audio + MIDI, again free

or a Casio SA or SK series keyboard - you could get into "circuit bending"?

if you want to go along the hardware route, you could always find cheap stuff on ebay like what fatboy slim/pink floyd et al use - TB303s, 808s, 909s, MPCs, Sinthi-A, melotron, mini moog, theremin, waldorf pulse etc


many thanks for that.


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07 Mar 2013, 12:23 am

thomas81 wrote:
i looked into getting a little 2 octave USB keyboard for £30 (about $50) but wasnt sure if its worth the money.

Hoping to get a free DAW program with virtual instruments built in if possible.

What'cha planning to write with such a tiny keyboard? Obviously not live piano. ;) It's good for sample manipulating and DJ remixes? Not sure what else a tiny keyboard is good for.... comments?



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07 Mar 2013, 8:26 am

BlueMax wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
i looked into getting a little 2 octave USB keyboard for £30 (about $50) but wasnt sure if its worth the money.

Hoping to get a free DAW program with virtual instruments built in if possible.

What'cha planning to write with such a tiny keyboard? Obviously not live piano. ;) It's good for sample manipulating and DJ remixes? Not sure what else a tiny keyboard is good for.... comments?


You can arrange fine with a keyboard like that - just have to shift octaves around a lot.


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07 Mar 2013, 10:46 am

BlueMax wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
i looked into getting a little 2 octave USB keyboard for £30 (about $50) but wasnt sure if its worth the money.

Hoping to get a free DAW program with virtual instruments built in if possible.

What'cha planning to write with such a tiny keyboard? Obviously not live piano. ;) It's good for sample manipulating and DJ remixes? Not sure what else a tiny keyboard is good for.... comments?


it doesnt need to be top professional standard. Im looking to get into independent game development and obviously music and sfx recording is part and parcel of that.

The choice is to either teach myself or pay someone else (which isnt very practical).


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07 Mar 2013, 12:44 pm

Lots of people (myself included!) would be willing to do your music for free - or a cut of any profits - just to get their "big break" into the industry!

Write music for the passion of it, not because someone's gotta' do it. ;)



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07 Mar 2013, 9:08 pm

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Lots of people (myself included!) would be willing to do your music for free - or a cut of any profits - just to get their "big break" into the industry!

Write music for the passion of it, not because someone's gotta' do it. ;)


I appreciate the offer, I really do, but I would really like to get out of my comfort zones and learn these skills so I'm not in a position where I'm totally dependent on others. I already tried the route of getting other people to do the work for me in the past, and due to some half hearted individuals who quit mid project, I was left with a partially finished game on my hands that i couldnt release. One guy from North America threatened me with legal action if i perservered with using his work without paying him $2000 up front. If it comes to it, i may give you a shout but we'll need to chat in detail cause I don't want to get my fingers burnt again.

many thanks.


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07 Mar 2013, 11:45 pm

Most Techno-musicians in Berlin use Ableton Live.


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08 Mar 2013, 6:24 pm

Reaper's about as cheap as you'll get for a meaningfully working DAW. It used to be about $60 dollars, not sure what it costs now.

If you want to go the trial version route you could always get a demo of Fruityloops or Reason to see if you like the ergonomics of any of them. Understandably with a demo version there will be some inconveniences.

For the time being I run Ableton Live 8 - no real complaints.



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08 Mar 2013, 8:20 pm

im actually using the reaper demo but wasnt sure if to perservere with it... the virtual instruments dont seem to be responding to my laptop's sound card for some reason?


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08 Mar 2013, 8:29 pm

Don't know, I've never worked with it.

This is pretty basic but it might help:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFhGl3GpgPE[/youtube]



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08 Mar 2013, 9:27 pm

Your laptop's onboard audio hardware may be a bit laggy for pro-audio apps.

1st, try downloading a utility called ASIO4ALL which improves the response of almost any audio hardware.

If that fails, you may need to get a PCMCIA/Cardbus audio card with ASIO support. I have one just laying around...



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11 Mar 2013, 5:25 am

[quote="thomas81"Can anyone recommend any good cheap (or preferably free) Digital Audio workstations with instruments?[/quote]

Ardour http://ardour.org/ runs on anything, loads of free instruments and soundbanks, especially if you like getting your hands dirty with some coding. Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ is a decent waveform or sample editor.

If you are using Linux with Jack, then there are plenty of onscreen keyboard utilities etc, so it is easy to plug in virtual or real sources and sound generators.