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10 Mar 2007, 8:29 pm

This a documentry I recommend everybody watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2811497638



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10 Mar 2007, 8:53 pm

interesting. i'm up for both sides of the debate and really haven't decided on the issue...mainly becaues there isn't enough evidence either way yet.


i'm leaning towards that the climate change is more as a result of the earth's natural climate change than what we've done.



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10 Mar 2007, 10:13 pm

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that video is crap an increase in co2 would increase the tempature because we would have a larger atmosphere so it would reflect less heat from the sun. by the way drastic climate change has happened before and a study which has been going on since the 60s shows that the co2 levels are rising quicker and quicker each year and at the current rate there will be 4 times more co2 in the atmosphere ten years from now than what there has ever been in 1000s of years so even if your right and im wrong and there is no such thing as global warming WE WILL ALL DIE OF OXYGEN DEPRIVATION ANYWAYS YOU IGNORANT FOOL. :evil: :evil: :evil:
you seriously need to watch the discovery channel, science channel, etc. a lot more often.



watch the film and that'll be explained...and if you do watch the film...i hope you feel a bit of shame and guilt for the ignorant statement you just made.



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10 Mar 2007, 10:30 pm

keyblade wrote:
Its people like you that make me want to scream


sun spots are responsible for climate change...the sun and cosmic rays are responsible for our climate change.....not the co2 content...which is much more affected by wildlife, debaying plants and animals, and the largest contributor of co2.....the oceans. even where we're at now with our production, the co2 we put out represents a fraction of a percentage of the co2 produced...which is a fraction of a percentage of the greenhouse gases which is in turn a very minor percentage of the atmospheric gases in general.


and we won't run out of oxygen to breathe, either.



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10 Mar 2007, 11:23 pm

What I want to know is what is causing the polar ice caps to shrink on the planet Mars. Martial Global Warming?


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10 Mar 2007, 11:30 pm

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What I want to know is what is causing the polar ice caps to shrink on the planet Mars. Martial Global Warming?



damned martians and their pollution!! !! !


(or....uh....it could be sun spots hitting them as well....maybe...)



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11 Mar 2007, 1:02 am

I am so glad to see people that are on the otherside of the norm....

First it was the ozone layer, then it was nuclear free zones, then the greenhouse effect, now its global warming ---All an easy way to control a populous through conformitising thier opinion,, making it easier to apply policy they would otherwise not adhere too.

-I hate the sheep of the planet....

What we should be more concerned about

is

GLOBAL BAAAAAHHHING.

--Here is the new Australian anthem ,, sing it with a sheepish voice....

We arrrrgh one-gghhee
bughht weeeghr arrgh maaaniie
From all llllll the lands on earth wee coooohorrgmm
Wee sing with one voice


You are
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We are Australian!

--do you see a common theme here?



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11 Mar 2007, 9:32 am

Well, I know that more often than not I leave my light on even when I am not in the room.

It's interesting who brought this up because they are from Australia. I hear they're taking it very seriously over there!


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11 Mar 2007, 9:38 am

Erlyrisa wrote:
I am so glad to see people that are on the otherside of the norm....

First it was the ozone layer, then it was nuclear free zones, then the greenhouse effect, now its global warming ---All an easy way to control a populous through conformitising thier opinion,, making it easier to apply policy they would otherwise not adhere too.


You forgot Y2K! :lol:


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11 Mar 2007, 11:47 am

i remember when i was in grade school they would say "a section of the amazon, the size of rhode island is cut down every day".. that was in the 80's, lets say 1985, smack in the middle.. rhode island is 1,214 sq miles/ 3144Km square.. guess what.. the amazon is still there.. practically my back yard.. (to be fair, i live in the northeast of brasil, but i travel frequently and i have yet to notice its missing..)

Period Estimated Remaining Forest Cover
in the Brazilian Amazon (sq. km)
Annual forestloss (sq. km) Percent of 1970 cover remaining Total forest loss since 1970 (sq. km)
1970 3,684,675
1970-1979 3,473,375 21,130 94.3% 211,300
1980-1989 3,262,075 21,130 88.5% 422,600
1990 3,248,265 13,810 88.2% 436,410
1991 3,237,135 11,130 87.9% 447,540
1992 3,223,349 13,786 87.5% 461,326
1993 3,207,939 15,410 87.1% 476,736
1994 3,193,043 14,896 86.7% 491,632
1995 3,163,984 29,059 85.9% 520,691
1996 3,145,824 18,160 85.4% 538,851
1997 3,132,784 13,040 85.0% 551,891
1998 3,115,944 16,840 84.6% 568,731
1999 3,098,685 17,259 84.1% 585,990
2000 3,078,849 19,836 83.6% 605,826
2001 3,060,719 18,130 83.1% 623,956
2002 3,035,219 25,500 82.4% 649,456
2003 3,011,089 24,130 81.7% 673,586
2004 2,984,960 26,129 81.0% 699,715
2005 2,966,060 18,900 80.5% 718,615


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11 Mar 2007, 5:49 pm

First off it's the climate changing not only warming. Some places will get flooded other will get drought. Some could have hotter days others colder. And the werid part a short term boost to crop yeild but than a crash. As it is we are living on borrowed time with too many humans now. The depressing part some think it is all ready too late to stop the long term effects. And some are not even sure we can turn it around.


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11 Mar 2007, 6:18 pm

i really can't accept that CO2 is the cause of any form of pollution, it is only about 380 ppmv
in the air can cause a significant problem to the earth's temperature.
but we do also have limited amounts of fossil fuels so that means that there is still a point in finding out a renewable source of energy.



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11 Mar 2007, 6:24 pm

Gilb wrote:
i really can't accept that CO2 is the cause of any form of pollution, it is only about 380 ppmv
in the air can cause a significant problem to the earth's temperature.
but we do also have limited amounts of fossil fuels so that means that there is still a point in finding out a renewable source of energy.




http://exitmundi.nl/oilcrash.htm


yep.


i'm not saying that alternative energy sources aren't good...i'm just saying that the hippies are wrong and spreading a myth and looking to limit and hurt industry.



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11 Mar 2007, 6:41 pm

An interesting film. I'll have to investigate it's claims.


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15 Mar 2007, 11:17 am

Flagg wrote:
An interesting film. I'll have to investigate it's claims.

I did. Most are easy to undermine, except for one. The fact that the solar spots appear to have an almost perfect line with the Temperature changes on earth.
Okay, I found an article about it, saying that that could effect only +-0.5 degrees celsius. It in that way explains the temperature drop starting in 1940. However, greenhouse effects now overwhelm this correlation, and has at least twice as much effect on climate as the solar spots.
So, I'm sorry people, unbelievers, talk to the hand :shameonyou:



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16 Mar 2007, 8:56 am

If all the global warming stuff is going to happen after I die, I'm not bothered.