Hydrogen-boosted car

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I am thinking about getting this for my car after I find out some more about it. This is a copy of what I posted to my friends in my Live Journal, I thought some people on here that are interested in science might find it interesting so I figured I would post it.

Yes so I was posting about that and getting comments on it from a new person on my LJ from southern Ohio. I get all of my LJ comments sent to my e-mail which is my g-mail (google mail). Anyway it has these little adds on the side. Well the thing reads your messages for certain words and brings up relevant adds to go along with it in hopes that you might buy something. Well I was commenting about using hydrogen to boost the fuel economy of a car, like my car. Gmail brought up an add about this Canadian company that offered a device to install in your car that did just that. HAHA and I was posting about how it wouldn't be likely to work, guess that isn't true. So I AM SO HAPPY that Google brought up that add on my g-mail. I spend HOURS reading all about it today and did some research on it and it appears to be true and I have proof with my sources.

Now it would cost a few hundred dollars but would be well worth it and for an Aspie such as myself that likes new alternative energy sources and ways that things can be more energy efficient I don't care a whole lot about how cost effective it is because it is better for the environment. Obviously I won't go for anything if it is super high priced but if it isn't what I deem to be too much then I'll have an extreme interest in it. Now this product has sparked a very high interest level in me and it's become a "special interest" and I will never stop thinking about it until I get it and have it installed in my car. For my car I have 3 choices of products to install in it, one costs $247, the next bigger one costs $347, and then an even bigger one is $697 for a certain unsaid time before it goes to 750. There are even bigger ones too but I don't need that for my sized engine. Actually the $247 model is capable of engine sizes up to the size of mine and the others are for slightly bigger engines but could still be used on a smaller one for an even higher increase in fuel economy by way of gas mileage and engine power. I think I'll at least buy the $347 unit if not the other one. Maybe someone would help me buy the other one if I found that it would be worth it. This will be so much fun and they come from Ontario Canada. I can't wait to get this thing maybe after I find a little more info about it though. So far this is what I have.

The first two from the same site seem to load slow, they probably have a low bandwidth server so give it some time.

http://savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/

http://savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/testimonials.php

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks. ... e-cga.html

So that is what I want to do with my car. Basically you use distilled water and potassium hydroxide as the electrolyte and only have to add that when it's needed which is on average use apparently every 6 months, then you add some distilled water to it every time you fill up on gas but it takes like I think they said 3/4 of a quart or so and that's not a whole lot and distilled water is like what 68 or 64 cents at Wal-Mart. I got some recently to add to my car battery but then found out the damned thing was sealed, who the hell sells a car with a sealed battery, grr. Darned Koreans (I have a Korean car). So yeah this will be AWESOME! Oh I get excited just thinking about it, haha, I'll get this thing installed and show it off at Auburn after school one day, the teachers will be like "what the heck is under that kid's hood that is so interesting to the other kids?" LOL.

The alternator takes power from the engine to power the unit to separate the H2 from the O2 in the water, and then that adds that to the combustion in the engine to give it more power. Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Well I have been thinking about it and come to the conclusion of this question "If this thing works so well then why doesn't every car in the entire world have it installed?" since that isn't the case then it signals that something might not be quite right about it.

Yes it does take energy from the alternator making the alternator draw more horse power from the engine and therefore causing the engine to have to cunsume more fuel to do it's job and the only way this thing would work would be if it's produced hydrogen made more power then what was needed to produce the electricity to make that hydrogen. Furthermore if it really did work then in theory couldn't you power a car from nothing but water and a big battery to get it started? I would think so unless there is something involved that it would have to have the gasoline also so that it can mix with it and enhance it which is kind of what they "claim" this product does.

I am most definately not going to just rush out and buy this until I find out vast amounts of detailed information about it that I consider to be true and accurate. They have all these testimonials and stuff about how good it is from people but the people that sell this product could have just made all that up to try and get people to buy it. It's pretty tricky.

And by the way water is 2 parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen "H2O" and not H2 and O2 like you mentioned.

the problem i have with this is that it would use more energy to separate the ions than you could get out of the h2 and the o2and i thought you need 1000+ volts to separate water which cannot be supplied with a 12V alternator

hydrogen combustion is very unstable and putting oxygen into our atmosphere instead of co2 could easily create problems. (imagine lighting a match and getting a 3 foot flame!)

Actually you could get 1,000 volts if you wanted with a transformer but that's not what it does. Actually I think it has a transformer that brings it down to 2 volts with a high current.

I know for a fact that it doesn't have to be a high voltage because I have made my own hydrogen with a simple 12 volt power transformer and managed to get it into a balloon so that it would float just like a helium one would.

The device that I would need for my car if I were to get one would draw less then 10 amps of current from my alternator. Now that would for sure work because that doesn't take that much power away from the engine to get 10 amps BUT the real question is that is that 10 amps enough to produce a large enough amount of hydrogen to actually make a difference in the engine power and fuel economy and all.

It wouldn't be putting oxygen into our atmosphere at all, the hydrogen combines with the oxygen to turn back into water as a hot water vapor with will cool down into water droplets. When the hydrogen combines with the oxygen which is triggered by the spark from the spark plug it will release energy. However the question is that will it produce enough energy to make it worth it and really improve the performance of the car and produce more extra energy then was taken away by the extra load on the alternator to get the hydrogen and oxygen mixture in the first place. But by no means would it be putting oxygen into our atmosphere BUT lets just pretend that it did, it wouldn't be a problem anyway because it would be such a small amount and we need it to live and all the plants release oxygen into our atmosphere. But in this case it combines with the hydrogen to for water again.

I did not read the links but it sounds like something I have read about.

My theory on how this product could work is this product could act as a octane booster.
The problem with that is only a small number of engines such as variable compression
engines (rare) and high compression engines (racing cars) or engines burning low octane fuel would see any increased energy.

Also simple water injection would be cheaper and likely more effective at boosting octane and requiring very little energy. But again without changing the compression ratio(not easy or cheap) of your engine you want see a big increase in fuel savings.

(bump) i don't know why i asked about voltages i guess i am having a dim day today, i am generally knowledgeable about electronics

but wouldn't splitting up the H2 and O2 use more energy than what you get out and therefore makes the car less efficient or am i missing something here

No you right and a cars alternator is not 100% efficient either.

http://driversmag.com/ar/fleet_bosch_unveils_high%20efficiency/



And a gas engine is around 25% efficient and the electrolysis's on small scale maybe on 90% efficacy.

So .9 * .25 * .55 = 12 % Which means the only possible way this can boost over all
efficiency is as an octane booster. Assuming a very small amount of hydrogen can boost
octane. In theory its high heat capacity means it likely can. But I doubt but a very small percent of engines would benefit from it.

Modern engines have a knock sensor and can adjust the timing to get the maximum energy out of the fuel before auto-ignition happens (like a diesel engine). If the octane
rating is low the engine may have to adjust its timing to prevent auto-ignition (knocking)
and the engine is less efficiency when it does this.

Again water injection would be far less complex and provide the same octane boosting effect.