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23 Mar 2015, 1:32 pm

As light doesn't bend, shouldn't rays of the sun shining through holes in the cloud come at a direct angle from the sun?
Therefore, having two rays shining through the clouds at different angles, if one knows the distance between the two spots they hit the ground, and the angle of the two rays, shouldn't simple geometry indicate the distance before the two rays emit from the source, the sun.?
So what is the scientific explanation for why the sun is 96 million miles away whereas geometry would indicate its not that far above the clouds?

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23 Mar 2015, 1:41 pm

Well, offhand, I'd guess that refraction due to water in the atmosphere might have something to do with it, but the real explanation is probably even simpler than that.


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23 Mar 2015, 3:08 pm

The Freemasons have been concealing the truth for centuries:that the earth is really flat, and the Sun is actually the same size as a Goodyear Blimp. And in fact that Malaysian airliner that vanished last year is actually known to have ventured a little too high above the normal 35 thousand foot operating altitude for passenger jets, and to have gotten vaporized while colliding with the sun. The Sun ofcourse moves seasonally between the Tropic Cancer, and the Tropic of Capricorn, never getting far from the Equator. So colliding with the sun is an endemic problem of pilots flying in the waters of Equatorial countries like Indonesia/Malaysia ( kinda like an aerial iceberg). But the media never talks about it.



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23 Mar 2015, 6:36 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
The Freemasons have been concealing the truth for centuries:that the earth is really flat, and the Sun is actually the same size as a Goodyear Blimp. And in fact that Malaysian airliner that vanished last year is actually known to have ventured a little too high above the normal 35 thousand foot operating altitude for passenger jets, and to have gotten vaporized while colliding with the sun. The Sun ofcourse moves seasonally between the Tropic Cancer, and the Tropic of Capricorn, never getting far from the Equator. So colliding with the sun is an endemic problem of pilots flying in the waters of Equatorial countries like Indonesia/Malaysia ( kinda like an aerial iceberg). But the media never talks about it.


Well that would explain why Icarus's wings melted, I did think it a bit far fetched that he flew 96 million miles.



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23 Mar 2015, 7:42 pm

Nambo wrote:
As light doesn't bend, shouldn't rays of the sun shining through holes in the cloud come at a direct angle from the sun?
Therefore, having two rays shining through the clouds at different angles, if one knows the distance between the two spots they hit the ground, and the angle of the two rays, shouldn't simple geometry indicate the distance before the two rays emit from the source, the sun.?
So what is the scientific explanation for why the sun is 96 million miles away whereas geometry would indicate its not that far above the clouds?

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Sunlight is refracted by the atmosphere. So when you see a red sunset you are seeing the red portion of the sun's radiated light bent to so can see it. The sun is really below the horizon.

Any light coming into the atmosphere from any direction but straight down is refracted and any visible light coming through the atmosphere is filtered. That is why the sky is blue. The red light is absorbed the the blue is scattered.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering

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23 Mar 2015, 7:43 pm

Nambo wrote:
As light doesn't bend, shouldn't rays of the sun shining through holes in the cloud come at a direct angle from the sun?
Therefore, having two rays shining through the clouds at different angles, if one knows the distance between the two spots they hit the ground, and the angle of the two rays, shouldn't simple geometry indicate the distance before the two rays emit from the source, the sun.?
So what is the scientific explanation for why the sun is 96 million miles away whereas geometry would indicate its not that far above the clouds?

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Sunlight is refracted by the atmosphere. So when you see a red sunset you are seeing the red portion of the sun's radiated light bent to so can see it. The sun is really below the horizon.

Any light coming into the atmosphere from any direction but straight down is refracted and any visible light coming through the atmosphere is filtered. That is why the sky is blue. The red light is absorbed the the blue is scattered.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering

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23 Mar 2015, 8:26 pm

If you like Crepuscular Rays like these:
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Then you may also enjoy Aureole Effects:
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And Heiligenschein:
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And glories and (even better) the huge and hard to fathom BROCKEN SPECTRE:
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I turns out, the question is not, "where is the sun?" but rather, "where are my eyes?"



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24 Mar 2015, 2:43 am

ruveyn wrote:

Any light coming into the atmosphere from any direction but straight down is refracted
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So what occurs to refract the light in all those different directions?
I would have thought all the light would be bent in the same direction as occurs when light passes through water.



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24 Mar 2015, 3:35 am

It comes from the intensity of the suns light. Due to atmospheric factors it is not like the sun works like a spotlight but rather that the light of the sun is so strong that the atmosphere make it appear as if the light is broad making sunrays form in different angles through the clouds depending on how the openings are. Partially in can work because of the refraction due to the airs humidity aka tiny droplets of water in the air. That's at least how I understand it.



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24 Mar 2015, 3:43 am

water acts like a prism, different wavelengths ('colors') bend different amounts.
also, the size and shape of the droplet of water changes the amount of bending, which is what you see.

a normal glass of water also generates a rainbow, but you are typically too close to it, and the 'sheet' is too thick, to really notice this with the naked eye.


also, a cloud is really a vapour, where light continuesly enters and leaves water droplets, seemingly at random, which causes an (apparantly) random distribution of rays on the other end of the cloud.



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24 Mar 2015, 4:19 am

Aniihya wrote:
It comes from the intensity of the suns light. Due to atmospheric factors it is not like the sun works like a spotlight but rather that the light of the sun is so strong that the atmosphere make it appear as if the light is broad making sunrays form in different angles through the clouds depending on how the openings are. Partially in can work because of the refraction due to the airs humidity aka tiny droplets of water in the air. That's at least how I understand it.


I had wondered about this, that the light isn't directly from the sun, but from the bright sky above the clouds.
But if that was the case, then we should also see pictures where the suns rays shining through the clouds all point inwards just as often as outwards if it is random cloud openings that are to blame.
But cannot say I have ever seen one.



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24 Mar 2015, 4:59 am

Nambo wrote:
I had wondered about this, that the light isn't directly from the sun, but from the bright sky above the clouds. But if that was the case, then we should also see pictures where the suns rays shining through the clouds all point inwards just as often as outwards if it is random cloud openings that are to blame.

Maybe the sphere-shaped planet and its atmosphere act like a diverging lense?



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24 Mar 2015, 7:53 am

i just watched that video posted a few replies back; i think i facepalmed trough the back of my head...

"i will draw a triangle on this painting"; no, you can't do that, you do not know the 3rd direction of the rays painted, it's a 2-D image...

"the shadow will never leave the ground"; .... .... .... really....

also, they only took a clowded example, neglecting that on non-clowdy days, the rays do exactly what they are expected to to...

the last time i facepalmed this hard was when i heared about the 'hollow earth'. (well, that one was worse, but you get the point)



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24 Mar 2015, 8:39 am

izzeme wrote:
i just watched that video posted a few replies back; i think i facepalmed trough the back of my head...

"i will draw a triangle on this painting"; no, you can't do that, you do not know the 3rd direction of the rays painted, it's a 2-D image...

"the shadow will never leave the ground"; .... .... .... really....

also, they only took a clowded example, neglecting that on non-clowdy days, the rays do exactly what they are expected to to...

the last time i facepalmed this hard was when i heared about the 'hollow earth'. (well, that one was worse, but you get the point)


That video was made by a flat earthed, so not surprising. (Oh, and due to the Youtube comments on the video, I'd guess that he really does believe that the earth is flat :lol: )



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25 Mar 2015, 3:58 pm

Nambo wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

Any light coming into the atmosphere from any direction but straight down is refracted
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So what occurs to refract the light in all those different directions?
I would have thought all the light would be bent in the same direction as occurs when light passes through water.


Light of different frequencies are refracted differently. That is why sunset looks so red.

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