12.000 year ago, did humans get a comic reboot?

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I've been fascinated by this idea for as long as i can remember, because it never made sense to me that our species had been on Earth for 200-300.000 years, but we only started to actually do anything a few thousand years ago?

After recently watching some episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, listening to the presented evidence, I find it entirely likely that there once was a civilisation, predating our current models of anthropology.
The main evidence for this claim is material discovered over large swathes of the Earth, that contain all the hallmarks of a cosmic collision. Aka something big and heavy smacking into the Earth(probably near and IN the icecaps) that melted all the ice, burnt most of the forests and killed a large chunk of the mega-fauna.
Just like the dinosaurs.

Unlike the dinosaurs, some people of this advanced culture survived and propagated their knowledge in groups around the world, constructing megalithic monuments, to tell us that we almost got wiped out.

Except we forgot. And we now have a system of archaeology that seems run on Ego, for a large part.

This story makes much more logical sense to me, opposed to the idea that humans SUDDENLY started to do stuff and also killed off the biggest and baddest mammals to ever roam the planet...

food for thought

This is an interesting hypothesis ... but there is little evidence to support it.

The last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago. That's probably a better explanation. The domestication of the dog also may have been a contributing factor.

I don't consider Joe Rogan to be a reliable source of information regarding prehistory. Joe Rogan is a good comedian, and his takedown of Carlos Mencia was awesome, but I don't like to rely on Joe Rogan as a source of scientific knowledge.

Im not relying solely on his podcast. i was re-exposed to this idea, about 2 years ago. and sadly, there is a lot of evidence, like the impact proxies that cover a massive chunk of the earths crust.

Aside from that, an impact explains the sudden rise in sea levels and tectonic upheaval at the time. an impact on the north pole, where they suspect the collision to have happened, would leave very little chance and instantly melt an ocean's worth of fresh water, throwing up massive amounts of smoke from fires and debris.
and then a nuclear winter would happen. which is what is shown in the geographic records and ice core samples.

There might have been at least 4 impacts. one around 12.600 years ago and another series around 11.000 years ago. both of these impacts correlate with massive climate change, basically over night.

continents worth of land were flooded under 150 meter of ocean, the mid atlantic plate subducted, sinking a quasi continent, that we now call the maledives(i believe).

and even if there wasnt some kind of super cool "atlantian" tribe, way back in the day, i feel that is less important than defending ourselves against giant spacerocks that can actually nuke us back into the stone age or wipe us all out, wholesale.

The "Maldives" are an island chain (and a sovereign nation) in the Indian Ocean a little south of the country of India still treading water. Not a landmass that sank in the north Atlantic 12 thousand years ago. Though with global warming and future sea level rise the Maldives might well sink in the not too distant future. Sounds like your confusing the Maldives with Dogger Bank- a shallow area in the North Sea between Britain and Germany that was an island the size of a small state during the Ice Age which did sink in the post glacial sea rise about 12 thousand years ago.

Yea, i'm conflating them with the Azores.


There used to a pretty sizeable landmass, during the last ice age, but it's underneath a lot of water now, making any archaeology almost impossible.

and gee, it's right where the Egyptians said Atlantis would be...

and that's the thing with this whole concept and why i feel it deserves more attention. there are interesting hints pointing in this direction, from all over the globe.

Just looked at a map of Azores.

Small islands scattered over a large distance.

But during the depth of the Ice Age, when not just Dogger Bank, but the whole north sea was dry land, and just about the entire continental shelves of all the continents were dry land... the same would also have been true of the Azores.

And if the continental shelf around the azores were to be exposed then the island chain would be one large island 300 miles long, or more. A rather substantial landmass. Humans might have lived there. And it is a little bit "beyond the Pillars of Herakles" (ie Gibralter) right where Plato said Atlantis was located. And even the chronology is interesting. Atlantis sank nine thousand years before Plato's informant lived which means it sank around 9600 BC, which is about the same time that the glaciers were melting and sea levels were rising. Interesting hypothesis.

I find the beliefs of the Sumerians greatly fascinating, revolving around the theory of a collision from the planet Nibiru (or Planet X as they once called it... you know, that planet that NASA is trying to make us believe doesn't exist). I once learned that a scar in the planet beneath the earth's surface is evidence of a collision. I read somewhere of a theory that Earth was much, much smaller, and the passing Nibiru on it's rather large and extended orbit collided with Earth and a chunk of Nibiru fused with Earth to create the size that it is today. The Sumerians believed that lifeforms of Nibiru adapted to life on Earth and thats where we come from.

And one day our mothership will come and take us all back home.

But seriously, I too often wonder about the increased evolution growth spurt of our species and our rapidly increased intelligence that has made us the master race of this planet and how we are the only ones in the entire animal kingdom that are as advanced as we are. There is a link missing somewhere. And i'm very curious to know just what that link is.

so many of these ancient cultures just popped up and suddenly started building stuff, farming, writing. almost like they had a sudden influx of knowledge.

it's all so intriguing. if anyone's interested, have a look at this snippet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-FHRGxBNRk

the geology for the sphinx, suggests that it might well be 12.000, 36.0000 or even up to several hundred thousand years old.
so who the hell built it, 12.000 years ago? and if it's older still, that raises even more questions.

I haven't read anything specifically about collisions causing climate change 12,000 years ago, but I think there were a collection of factors.

The current scientific consensus is there has been a somewhat cyclic variation on average global temerperature of approximately 10-14°C every 100,000 years or so over the last million years. Here is on graph illustrating that: http://www.dandebat.dk/images/1524p.jpg. Humans could have gained sentience or whatever evolutionary advantage during a cold period, but could not expand the population significantly until resources became more abundant and life became less about the struggle to keep warm. I'm not saying a collision did not contribute to or cause the Pleistocene-Holocene warming.

This graph illustrates distribution and die-off of other human-like hominids. New, more fertile land, and fewer competitors allowed for developments beyond survival. Music and culture could develop because not every second was focussed on survival.

I've also read about humans successfully farming and even genetically selecting good crops from that era. Wikipedia has a brief section about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction#Competition_by_humans
That article also mentions the quick extinction of megafauna on a continent soon after humans arrived. This could be environmental or uncorrelated, but megafauna could have been the brainfood and plentiful food source needed.

Fire. It is believed humans have used for possibly over a million years, but only in the Pleistocene era did we come to control fire (and thats a with 600,000 year window). Cooked meat has been hypothesised as one likely cause of the ape-like brain of our ancestors developing into the modern human brain. Again, this won't be a sole factor, but it would have contributed.

That's all I con think of off the top of my head, and I don't want this to be a wall of rant. If anyone has counterpoints or additions, I'd welcome them.

I wonder if anyone else clicked on this post because they thought "comic" might not be a typo.

good points brought up so far, but what people seem to be forgetting...

we only have data from the ice cores and from exposed or near-shore underwater land. the vast majority of anything we would hope to find from 12000+ years ago, is under some 400 feet of water and miles out.

the seeming pattern in cooling and heating is, as far as i know, far from settled. some argue there is a pattern, some argue that you have to fidget the numbers to get that pattern.

i also recently learned of a different option for the rapid rising of sealevels and the "black matter layer" at 12600 years ago. this layers consists of massive amounts of carbon. burned plants and animals.

this new idea, is to do with the sun. massive coronal ejection could trigger monstrous thunderstorms on earth. storms that would be continent wide, long lasting and at least a thousand times more intense than anything we've seen in recorded times. the result would be similar to an asteroid hit, but would leave no crater.

what still remains, are 2 mysteries in our history.

why did we suddenly, all across the globe, start doing s**t at roughly the same time?
and
given palaeontological evidence of humans being at least 200K to 300K years old, why did it take us so long to start doing s**t?

there's a gap in our history and it feels like it lines up with the "gap" in temperatures, between 12.000 and 10.000 years ago. and i find that odd, to say the least.