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16 Mar 2021, 9:35 am

I honestly can't believe algorithms are used for almost life-and-death decisions these days... when one of the biggest technology companies fails so epically at such an inconsequential thing. This truly is what convinced me that algorithms are sh*t...



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16 Mar 2021, 9:41 am

The year before last, The Algorithm took a down a whole load of robot combat videos.... for animal cruelty. The robot-fighting community was up in arms about it, though some joked that it proved YouTube had become sentient and was trying to protect its own kind.


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16 Mar 2021, 9:48 am

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I honestly can't believe algorithms are used for almost life-and-death decisions these days... when one of the biggest technology companies fails so epically at such an inconsequential thing. This truly is what convinced me that algorithms are sh*t...
Since when is taking down a video game a "life-and-death decision"?

You seem to be exaggerating the importance of video games on YouTube.


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16 Mar 2021, 10:16 am

No, videos on YT is what I called inconsequential... but algorithms are used to decide whether someone should be convicted or not it seems, and that is what's concerning when they fail at such a scale as to think Dota is porn.



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16 Mar 2021, 11:57 am

Weirdness wrote:
No, videos on YT is what I called inconsequential... but algorithms are used to decide whether someone should be convicted or not it seems...
Last I knew, a conviction could only be reached by a jury of one's peers.
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... and that is what's concerning when they fail at such a scale as to think data is porn.
You said "video games" in an earlier post; now you say "data".  Which is it?

Just to clarify, anything can be data to an algorithm -- an algorithm's purpose is to examine data.


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16 Mar 2021, 12:43 pm

Weirdness wrote:
they fail at such a scale as to think Dota is porn.

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You said "video games" in an earlier post; now you say "data".  Which is it?

It seems there is a video game called "Dota", I'm guessing that's what Weirdness is talking about.

Edit to add this link. Someone was apparently "Wrongfully Accused by an Algorithm".


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16 Mar 2021, 12:50 pm

I thought "Dota" was another typo, when it is actually only another gamer term.

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DoTA (Defense of the Ancients) is an alternative map for playing Warcraft.  It was initially created for Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos and is also supported in the expansion pack Frozen Throne.
This being the case, Weirdness should take his complaint to Blizzard Entertainment AND YouTube.


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16 Mar 2021, 1:19 pm

This seems entirely YT's fault... the fact it relies on algorithms so widely... I mean, at least they responded to the appeal quickly, but it still makes me think that an overall society-wide usage of algorithms will result in disaster...



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16 Mar 2021, 1:56 pm

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This seems entirely YT's fault... the fact it relies on algorithms so widely... I mean, at least they responded to the appeal quickly, but it still makes me think that an overall society-wide usage of algorithms will result in disaster...
It sometimes takes years to tweak a single algorithm to get it to work correctly.  Sometimes it also takes a disaster -- like a crashed 737 airliner -- to even expose an algorithmic flaw.


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16 Mar 2021, 3:31 pm

That is indeed probably the worst failure in history... twice...



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16 Mar 2021, 7:18 pm

Fnord wrote:
Since when is taking down a video game a "life-and-death decision"?

At this point, he was talking about algorithms in general.

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No, videos on YT is what I called inconsequential... but algorithms are used to decide whether someone should be convicted or not it seems...

Last I knew, a conviction could only be reached by a jury of one's peers.

Not convicted, arrested.
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this link. Someone was apparently "Wrongfully Accused by an Algorithm".


This is to show that AI is very unlikely to replace humans on tasks that require judgement, at least for the time being is just scifi.



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16 Mar 2021, 11:48 pm

Weirdness wrote:
This seems entirely YT's fault... the fact it relies on algorithms so widely... I mean, at least they responded to the appeal quickly, but it still makes me think that an overall society-wide usage of algorithms will result in disaster...


It already has, why do you think fake news has gotten so bad? The truth is boring and algorithms know the masses like sensational tabloid nonsense.


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17 Mar 2021, 5:04 am

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This is to show that AI is very unlikely to replace humans on tasks that require judgement, at least for the time being is just scifi.

Ah right, since I was just looking for an example of the kind of thing Weirdness was concerned about I only read as far as "his case may be the first known account of an American being wrongfully arrested based on a flawed match from a facial recognition algorithm, according to experts on technology and the law."


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17 Mar 2021, 8:11 am

Now that the "problem" has been revealed and a possible scapegoat has been found, what is anyone going to actually DO about it?

Besides post more complaints, I mean...


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17 Mar 2021, 3:56 pm

Which game did they think was porn?


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17 Mar 2021, 4:00 pm

NaturalEntity wrote:
Which game did they think was porn?
A variant of World of Warcraft.
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DoTA (Defense of the Ancients) is an alternative map for playing Warcraft.  It was initially created for Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos and is also supported in the expansion pack Frozen Throne.


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