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09 Aug 2008, 1:36 am

GRRR I hate Microsoft such a pain in the butt. My dad works on computers mainly friends and family when vista came out I wanted to take a baseball bad and beat the heck out of all of them. They just wouldn't work thank god my dad is a really smart man he talked everyone of them into going XP and they worked pretty good. I just can't stand that Microsoft can never release an operating system without it first being a disaster.

Well anyways can someone explain to me why the parts for windows based computers are made by so many different companies?? I heard that is one of the main reasons windows operating systems have so many bugs etc. is that true??



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09 Aug 2008, 6:13 am

Yes, it's a part of the problem, but an advantage at the same time.

Back in the 80s, when I bought my first computer, every company had their own set of parts and shipped them as a complete system. The Homecomputer. It was impossible, to exchange parts.
Then came the firs PC and together with it's operating system MS-DOS things changed a bit. Graphic boars for example became exchangeable. And harddisks, memory chips.... First mainly, so the companies could offer different parts (CGA graphics, Hercules, VGA and so on). People could Upgrade their hardware. Nearly a kind of revolution. So there was a standard interface for hardware, allowing other companies to produce cheaper & better parts to fit in.
So far that's good. Nowadays I can decide which part to buy and put in the machine. One reason, why prices dropped and quality became better year by year.

Disadvantage: The Operating system must know how to handle this hardware. It needs driver software and complex interfaces to handle a very large amount of different hardware. It must allow "alien" pieces of code (the driver) to access core parts of the os. Like memory handling for example. A harddisk together with it's driver software can only be fast, if it can move data from the disk into memory directly, without having to ask the os about permission for every single byte. Same for grafik boards. But then if the driver is written buggy, the os has no chance to do anything about it like it could if it had full controll over the system.


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09 Aug 2008, 9:31 am

Basically a double edged sword.



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09 Aug 2008, 1:42 pm

There are other issues with Windows, which are more related to the architecture of Windows (there are things in the network stack, which rely on antiquated protocols). Of course the entire hybrid kernel architecture makes things kinda strange anyways, but also compatibility issues occur. I know that Windows 95 which claimed to use preemptive multitasking could be crashed by a crashing Windows 3.1 program (I only had Delphi 1 at that time, so I experienced that repeatedly) because apparently Windows executed them differently. Such issues (of the same kind, not necessarily this one) persist in newer versions as well.

This is why I support a completely new OS to replace Windows: it is too crufty!


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09 Aug 2008, 1:53 pm

LostInEmulation wrote:
This is why I support a completely new OS to replace Windows: it is too crufty!

Rumors abound concerning something Microsoft is developing called "Midori" which is supposed to take over when Windows dies. Allegedly is much leaner, but we'll see how that pans out.


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09 Aug 2008, 2:11 pm

I heard about that. Lets see whether they decide to basically go 'screw you, legacy-users' or include so much cruft that it is doubleplusunlean and just keeps the flaws. *suspects the latter*


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10 Aug 2008, 7:40 pm

Orwell wrote:
LostInEmulation wrote:
This is why I support a completely new OS to replace Windows: it is too crufty!

Rumors abound concerning something Microsoft is developing called "Midori" which is supposed to take over when Windows dies. Allegedly is much leaner, but we'll see how that pans out.


Midori? I fully expect that to fall into the swamps of Mount Midoriyama.

(BTW, for those who don't get what I said, you haven't watched enough G4)



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10 Aug 2008, 10:01 pm

What in the world is G4?


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10 Aug 2008, 10:12 pm

LostInEmulation wrote:
What in the world is G4?

Dunno. When I saw that, I thought of the old-school Macs with the PowerPC architecture.


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10 Aug 2008, 10:52 pm

philosopherBoi wrote:
GRRR I hate Microsoft such a pain in the butt. My dad works on computers mainly friends and family when vista came out I wanted to take a baseball bad and beat the heck out of all of them. They just wouldn't work thank god my dad is a really smart man he talked everyone of them into going XP and they worked pretty good. I just can't stand that Microsoft can never release an operating system without it first being a disaster.

Well anyways can someone explain to me why the parts for windows based computers are made by so many different companies?? I heard that is one of the main reasons windows operating systems have so many bugs etc. is that true??



Same with every piece of software. Yes, Windows gets some of its bugs from using many different OS components from different companies.



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11 Aug 2008, 7:00 am

I didnt hear of midori before now, but i did here a very vague whisper of an OS from M$ that would be free or very very cheap to wipe out the burgeoning linux community.


Her is some info on midori
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_%28 ... _system%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularit ... _system%29


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12 Aug 2008, 2:15 am

More companies=more competision
more competions=more ways to try to get you to by products
Including lower costs, better perfmance.
If there is only one place salling, you can be sure they have little incetive to lower costs or make it a better product



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12 Aug 2008, 7:22 am

FYI: Another Vista-fail, which is based on the design


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