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18 Jul 2008, 6:53 pm

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I always thought Linux takes up more hard disk space than windows.


Might depend on the linux. I know stuff liek red hat is 6 dvds.. Ubuntu is slim through.

Looking now at my xp hard drive.. c:\windows is 3.04 gigs. The C:\drives program files is 4.59 gigs. I only keep microsoft stuff there, everything else is on the D drive.

The page file is 2x my ram, so its 6 gigs, as recomended. I actually have four, but a 32 bit system doesnt access it all.

So thats 13.6 or so gigs. I've deleted my hiberfil.sys as well. Hiberfil.sys is equal to ram size. so it would be 3 gigs.

So none of that includes stuff like office, or anything other than what basically installs with xp pro.

Looking at ubuntu the file system is 4.20 gigs in size. The cache is 3.72(I need to adjust that to be larger) and I cannot really count /home as its full of movies and music. Nothing in /home(which is the equivalent of programs and files and documents in windows) is critical to the operation of ubuntu.

so the totals..

windows ubuntu
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3.04 4.20
4.59 N/A
6.00 3.72
3.00 0.00(uses the swap i think)

totals
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16.63 7.92



I heard someone tell me that you at least need a 20GB HD for Ubuntu.



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18 Jul 2008, 8:30 pm

I'm just fed up with Vista.



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19 Jul 2008, 6:45 pm

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I heard someone tell me that you at least need a 20GB HD for Ubuntu.


Yeah, I'd recomend 20 at least. 10 for the operating system and swap space and 10 for personal data and applications. 10 per personal /home that is.


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19 Jul 2008, 7:01 pm

20 GB for /
1 GB for swap
5 GB for /home

Now, if you begin downloading torrents, it is better to have 65 GB for /home :).

Oh, and the whole ready for the masses stuff is BS. Windows XP is complicated, it is extremely unfriendly, I need the console to repair it (and there are no alternatives to it when you need it, there's no official XP live CD ya know?) . It really gets complicated once there's a problem. What's the difference? It is NOT about friendliness , it is about familiarity, and nothing will make Ubuntu more familiar, it is impossible without getting something as broken as windows as a result, they are working on making it friendlier, not familiar for whatever windows-possessed user out there.


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19 Jul 2008, 7:19 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
20 GB for /
1 GB for swap
5 GB for /home


Why 20 for /? The OS just isnt that big.


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20 Jul 2008, 1:38 pm

n4mwd wrote:
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..show me a web site where I can download a MPEG2 codec.

Here you go!


There were no Linux codecs on that page. Unless it can be used by multiple apps unknown to the original programmer, then its not a codec, its really just a program. Linux does have several nice programs, but a lot of them are distributed as source because there wouldn't really be a practical way to compile a bin for every Linux version ever made. Again, windows handles backwards compatibility seamlessly, linux fails miserably.

Not sure about Mac OS10. I've heard rumors that it runs fine on PC's now. I don't know anything about it though.

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n4mwd, could you explain how windows encrypted singular file storage of global critical settings is better.. ie more modern, flexible, safe? You might argue that its slower to read human readable configuration codes, but the fact is decrypting the system.dat file takes just as long. And most linux machines boot faster anyway.


My XP machines boot within 30 seconds from the time the power button is pressed to the time the system is usable. If an XP system takes much longer than that, its probably laced with crapware and antivirus tools.

Are you trying to compare NTFS to EXT3? NTFS is better, but as far as OS's go, Linux does have full support of NTFS now with the NTFS-3G driver. There are also windows drivers that support EXT2 and 3.


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This is a memory hog and a big part of the reason that windows xp is 20-40 gigs installed and ubuntu is less than 10.


That just isn't so. I have installed XP PRO on a 2gb HDD so I'm pretty sure that it doesn't need 40gb. Perhaps you are thinking of vista. I tried to install linux (sorry I forget which one) on a 1gb hdd and it sat there and laughed at me for even trying. It wants several gb just for a swapper partition.

You guys are funny. I think you'd be less offended if I had insulted your religion than when I insult your favorite OS. All I can say is that if you like Linux, then you should use it. For me, its just not compatible with what I need to do. I really liked ubuntu until I tried to do something with it beyond word processing and browsing. My system is heavily multimedia oriented and linux's lack of installable codecs messes up the works for me.


You'll find some multimedia codecs for ubuntu in the repositories as described here.



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20 Jul 2008, 1:41 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
20 GB for /
1 GB for swap
5 GB for /home


Why 20 for /? The OS just isnt that big.


I installed ubuntu on my laptop in a partition which was intially just over 4 GB.



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23 Jul 2008, 4:47 pm

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2. Installable drivers for codecs and hardware device drivers.

Honestly, I really don't see why this is such a hard problem. Just these two things alone would catapult Linux way ahead of windows.


Lack of hardware device drivers had thwarted my last two trials of Ubuntu. I could not get a working device driver for my last computers internal modem. After some hassle I got a driver working with my latest computers external modem but the Ubuntu software update has wrecked it again so no internet connection again and I can't work out how to fix it. So Ubuntu is sitting unused on my laptop now. It will likely be deleted soon as I haven't got enough time to play nurse maid with it. Perhaps Ubuntu version 9 will be better. I've given up on versions 7 and 8 for the time being.



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23 Jul 2008, 5:36 pm

Mac 10.5 Leopard has been good to me so far.


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24 Jul 2008, 12:01 am

TallyMan wrote:
Perhaps Ubuntu version 9 will be better. I've given up on versions 7 and 8 for the time being.


8.10 will be out in october. 9.04 will come next spring.


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