Hi all,
I'm trying to put together a device as similar as possible to the Judge Rotenburg Centre's GED for a publicity stunt. For those unaware, the Judge Rotenburg Centre uses electroshock devices on the people at the centre as a form of punishment.
I've found the specs for a version of the GED here:
http://www.effectivetreatment.org/remote.html
During the design of GED, eight volunteers tested the perceived aversiveness of the stimulation at 10%, 25%, and 50% duty cycles. They reported little perception of aversiveness at a 10% duty cycle, and definite aversiveness at 25%. They found the 50% duty cycle only slightly more aversive than the 25% duty cycle. Because the 50% duty cycle was thought more likely to cause skin irritation and was judged to be only slightly more aversive than the 25% duty cycle, we decided upon a 25% duty cycle for the GED. The duty cycle may be adjusted from 1% to 90%.
Current. When operated across a 24 kΩ resistor, the GED produces a voltage of 106.3 V (rms), and a current of 4.42 mA (rms). The corresponding peak values are 272 V and 11.33 mA.
In order to find out the level of current during actual stimulations, tests were conducted on 10 BRI staff members, who volunteered to participate. Each volunteer received one 200 ms application of GED to the forearm. Previous testing at BRI had shown that peak current was reached within the first 200 ms of a stimulation to the skin. The same measurements were taken as described earlier for actual SIBIS stimulations. Table 2 shows the results under the columns headed "G.". The median peak current for the volunteers was 29.2 mA (range 12.8 mA to 39.6 mA), and the mean was 29.6 mA. Median and mean rms currents were 14.6 mA and 14.8 mA, respectively. The median impedance for the 10 volunteers was 4.0 kΩ (range 3.1 kΩ to 13.4 kΩ); the mean was 5.0 kΩ.
The maximum peak current possible from GED, measured by applying GED to a 100 Ω resistor, was 56 mA. This level of current would not be generated when the device is applied to the skin, however, because skin has a typical impedance of two to five kΩ.
Pulse repetition frequency. Pulse repetition frequency refers to the rate, in pulses per second (pps), at which pulses occur within a pulse train. Informal tests on a few volunteers during GED’s design phase suggested that perceived aversiveness decreases rapidly when the pulse repetition frequency is below 40 pps or above 120 pps. GED was given a pulse repetition frequency of 80 pps. (80 Hz) This setting may be adjusted by a technician to any value between 40 and 120 pps.
Duration. The duration of a single GED stimulation is completely adjustable. We have selected a duration of 2.0 seconds for the typical application.
For our test purposes, we use a 5 k Ω. load (5000 ohms), which most closely simulates average skin resistance. This produces 65 vrms output with a median current of 13 mA for the GED and a 130 vrms output with a median current of 26 mA for the GED-4.
What would be the easiest way to generate such a shock?
Is it easy enough to explain the steps needed here, or should I try to find a local expert to help (I know enough electronics to read a schematic, but not much more than that...)?
And would it be easy to give such a device adjustable parameters, or is this a bit too ambitious?
Thanks in advance,
- Zakkie
Be careful with that. Electricity isn't just a toy. If you want a publicity stunt, your best bet might be to buy one of those devices so that you can't be accused of making it look worse than it is, and there will also be less risk of you screwing something up and getting seriously injured.
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Thanks,
It would be the best way, but I don't think they're commercially available - unless you know somewhere I could get my hands on one...
You could look for the WhistleStop or SIBIS (the two shock devices listed in your link as being commercially available) or look for similar ones. True, it won't be the same effect, but if you used SIBIS and then said "The GED used at JRC was designed because this one's shock was thought to be too weak" people might start to pay attention.
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You could look for the WhistleStop or SIBIS (the two shock devices listed in your link as being commercially available) or look for similar ones. True, it won't be the same effect, but if you used SIBIS and then said "The GED used at JRC was designed because this one's shock was thought to be too weak" people might start to pay attention.
That's true - but I want the demo to be accurate, and for people not to have to use their imaginations to work out what it would be like. If it comes down to a choice between personal risk and accuracy, I'll choose personal risk. Taking as many precautions and doublechecks as possible, of course...
It's true that the JRC could (and probably would) issue some sort of statement saying that the demonstration isn't a true portrayal of what goes on, but I think that's inevitable, even if I did use the exact same device.
Out of curiosity, I assume this demo involves you being electrocuted, and not those you are demonstrating to?
Yes, JRC will issue such a statement, and it will be harder to contest such claims if you are using a home-made device, even if it is technically identical to theirs. A real, commercially available device can at least be referred to as "similar to those used at JRC" since the technical specs of each should be publicly available for comparison.
EDIT: Never mind, these are only commercially available to doctors and psychologists anyways. Good luck if you decide to build your own, and above all, BE CAREFUL!! !
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Yep, that's correct - I wouldn't risk anyone elses safety on a homemade device.
I agree with you completely. I'd be happy to use a commercial device if I could get it anywhere near the same effects of a GED - I don't know much about the WhistleStop, but the SIBIS has less than 10% of the effect of a GED, which could make the whole demonstration a bit of an anticlimax...
Oops, missed the edit in the last reply... *grins*
Thanks, will do! Before I actually attempt to use the thing, I'm going to try to get a licenced electrician to give it a once over - which isn't exactly a foolproof method, but it at least gives me a small safety net...
If you decide to go through with this, there would preferably be a medic of some sort nearby. Also, check with a licensed physician beforehand to ensure you don't have any heart problems, etc.
I got shocked several times for demonstrations in AP Physics (we played with an electric generator, a hand-turned crank supplies current, and then there was the Van de Graaff generator which gave a rather nasty shock when you held it with one hand and then grabbed something like a metal pipe or the chalk tray), but certainly nothing along the lines of what you're proposing. What you're attempting here is extremely dangerous, and you're certainly a far braver man than I if you carry it out.
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Good advice - I'll do that, thanks. Not sure how I'd go about organising to have a medic on standby, but I'll make some enquiries... At the very least, I can do the pre-check.
I'll offer some solid technical advice: don't do it.
On the non-technical side, people's reaction to shocks varies wildly. Personally, I grew up "playing" with electricity. This included such things as a Victorian shock machine, old car spark coils, large capacitors and plainly "putting my fingers in 240volt AC sockets", repeatedly (also, by accident, but I was accident prone).
I recently met the only other person I've ever come across who can take electric shock devices (in this case, the four player toy thing) with no discernible reaction. He has also been tazered... twice. He said he quite liked it. I wouldn't mind finding out what that feels like. I may skip this, though.
For some people, even the slightest electric shock is a health risk.
Again. Don't do it.
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Again. Don't do it.
I appreciate the concern - However, I'm already committed to this course of action, and am going to go ahead with it.
On this thread, I'm solely interested in how to design the machine.
