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12 Aug 2008, 1:51 pm

So I saw a chip that had 4o000 cores, just to prove it could be done...any dea when an 8 core chip will come out?



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12 Aug 2008, 3:54 pm

i have no idea what your talking about?


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12 Aug 2008, 6:19 pm

There's no 8-core chip commercially available at present, and such a processor would not be good value for most people. But you could always buy an Intel Skulltrail, which supports two quad core CPUs, which gives you a total of 8 CPU cores.

The main application for multiple cores in my everyday use is audio/video transcoding, and for that, that purpose is better served by my GPU. From today, all NVIDIA graphics cards from the 8-series and up can transcode video, at far faster speeds than when it is done via the CPU.



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13 Aug 2008, 3:38 am

The problem with MC processors is that the more cores you add to a given system, the more you will have to deal with processor redundancy. That being said, I believe that both Intel and AMD are working on 8 Core CPU's currently. --I believe that we have pretty much reached the physical limits of CPU speeds.


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13 Aug 2008, 8:38 am

Thats ok. A hardware pause will force programmers to sharpen up.

There is a 6 core intel for servers.


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18 Aug 2008, 10:34 pm

64 core processors rock



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18 Aug 2008, 10:47 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Thats ok. A hardware pause will force programmers to sharpen up.

Wirth's law? Oh man, I don't want to see what happens when programmers continue to write slower code if hardware stops improving. That could be very painful. But at least there will always be Linux to fall back on if more popular software gets any slower than it is now...


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18 Aug 2008, 10:57 pm

Well, earlier software, particularly games were created in a time when ram, CPU and disk space were at a premium. So the authors wrote very efficient code. A good example is doom. You could get the basic game and first level as a demo on a 1.44 meg floppy.

They wrote it in C and then went back and reworked most of the functions in assembler. It was smaller and ran faster. Assembler side optimizations are getting increasingly rare.

Another good example is the launch software for the shuttle. I was told its about 1 meg in size. How big would a modern game that simulates a launch terminal be?


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18 Aug 2008, 11:12 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Well, earlier software, particularly games were created in a time when ram, CPU and disk space were at a premium. So the authors wrote very efficient code. A good example is doom. You could get the basic game and first level as a demo on a 1.44 meg floppy.

They wrote it in C and then went back and reworked most of the functions in assembler. It was smaller and ran faster. Assembler side optimizations are getting increasingly rare.

Another good example is the launch software for the shuttle. I was told its about 1 meg in size.

Now, I know it was more work, but imagine if they still put that kind of work into modern software. With the new, faster hardware we have today, software written so efficiently would just be sickeningly fast.


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18 Aug 2008, 11:25 pm

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Now, I know it was more work, but imagine if they still put that kind of work into modern software. With the new, faster hardware we have today, software written so efficiently would just be sickeningly fast.


Agreed on that. Hardware is badly under utilized. My wacom tablet driver is bigger than the (early)launch software for the shuttle.


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18 Aug 2008, 11:32 pm

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Agreed on that. Hardware is badly under utilized. My wacom tablet driver is bigger than the (early)launch software for the shuttle.

A friend of mine just bought a new Dell laptop. It comes pre-loaded with a nice 64-bit processor (Intel Core 2) and a 32-bit version of Vista. Now that's just a waste, and ridiculous to buy a laptop with an OS that is not capable of fully using the expensive hardware you're paying for.


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19 Aug 2008, 12:05 am

What was his purpose in buying it? It may well be that He'll never use anything that would benefit from 64 bit applications, such as most of MS office.


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20 Aug 2008, 12:07 am

I wonder if I can get each core to do a different os



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20 Aug 2008, 2:44 am

Eggman wrote:
I wonder if I can get each core to do a different os


No it doesnt work like that.


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20 Aug 2008, 3:58 am

Perhaps your friend was worried about driver support for the 64-bit version of Vista, which isn't as good as the 32-bit version. Not much fun using a 64-bit system and OS if you find you can no longer use your printers/scanners/routers etc. There also aren't many programs optimised for 64-bit systems, so the gains for your friend may not really be worth it to him.



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20 Aug 2008, 5:08 am

Fuzzy wrote:
Well, earlier software, particularly games were created in a time when ram, CPU and disk space were at a premium. So the authors wrote very efficient code. A good example is doom. You could get the basic game and first level as a demo on a 1.44 meg floppy.

They wrote it in C and then went back and reworked most of the functions in assembler. It was smaller and ran faster. Assembler side optimizations are getting increasingly rare.

Another good example is the launch software for the shuttle. I was told its about 1 meg in size. How big would a modern game that simulates a launch terminal be?



Well Doom was created back in 1993 when it cost $100 for 1MB Of Memory. Now it cost $40 for 1 GB.