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16 Jan 2005, 3:56 pm

Back in the time when computers had just been invented, people fantasized in science-fiction movies about computers in the future (or what is now the present). What they never would have guessed was that computers would be MUCH more compact today. Take for example- iPods. When they first came out, they were about the size of a deck of cards. They are white and now hold 20, 40, or 60 gigabytes, more than many computers. They were designed to hold music downloaded from iTunes on your computer.
Then iPod mini came out, about the size of a business card. They hold 4 gigabytes and come in five colors: gold, silver, pink, blue, and green. Then they came out with iPod Photo, holding not only music on its 40 or 60 gigabyte capacity, but also photos from iPhoto.
Now they have recently came out with iPod Shuffle, which is the size of a pack of gum. It holds 0.5 or 1 gigabyte.

To add to all this, the Mini mac will come out in America on January 22.
It's actually a miniature computer that is supposed to function like a regular one.

I can't believe computers are getting so small! Why do you think that is? I can see how it's useful, but....


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16 Jan 2005, 5:03 pm

Chris wrote:
Back in the time when computers had just been invented, people fantasized in science-fiction movies about computers in the future (or what is now the present). What they never would have guessed was that computers would be MUCH more compact today. Take for example- iPods. When they first came out, they were about the size of a deck of cards. They are white and now hold 20, 40, or 60 gigabytes, more than many computers. They were designed to hold music downloaded from iTunes on your computer.
Then iPod mini came out, about the size of a business card. They hold 4 gigabytes and come in five colors: gold, silver, pink, blue, and green. Then they came out with iPod Photo, holding not only music on its 40 or 60 gigabyte capacity, but also photos from iPhoto.
Now they have recently came out with iPod Shuffle, which is the size of a pack of gum. It holds 0.5 or 1 gigabyte.

To add to all this, the Mini mac will come out in America on January 22.
It's actually a miniature computer that is supposed to function like a regular one.

I can't believe computers are getting so small! Why do you think that is? I can see how it's useful, but....


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Moore's law says that the number of circuits that can fit on a chip doubles every 18 months.


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16 Jan 2005, 8:24 pm

It's all mindblowing.
I grew up along with personal computers and have gone from a couple megahertz Atari computer with 64k memory and tape drive to couple gigahertz Pentium / Athlon computers with a gigabyte of memory and multiple hard drives. That's in a period of about 25 years.

The embedded processors that I program for device control have faster processors than my old Atari and only cost a couple of bucks. My Palm and Pocket PC's have several hundred MHz processors. It all makes me glad to be alive during these times. It's all very exciting!



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18 Jan 2005, 4:37 am

It's pretty interesting...

There are 1 Gig memory sticks the size of a pack of gum now...



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02 Jun 2009, 11:02 am

Copper circuits smaller than a speck of dust make computers much more compact than before.


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02 Jun 2009, 1:14 pm

Chris wrote:
I can't believe computers are getting so small! Why do you think that is? I can see how it's useful, but....


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is it because they'll eventually integrate it within our bodies?



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02 Jun 2009, 8:43 pm

For those of you who are old enough Dick Tracey had a wrist radio, the size of a wristwatch. Fiction has become fact.

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02 Jun 2009, 11:37 pm

JohnnyCarcinogen gets the prize for reviving a 4.5 yo thread. It's so old it can wipe its own ass.

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Physical Development
begins to lose primary (baby) teeth
displays left- or right-handedness
builds elaborate structures
tires easily
bathes, eats, dresses, toilets independently
begins to participate in semistructured games
enjoys active games and movement
enjoys playing noisy rhythm instruments
is curious about reproduction and birth

Emotional Development
begins to express more feelings in words
embarrasses easily, and cannot yet laugh at self
feelings about death appear
shows guilt over misbehavior
likes independence
is serious and dependable

Social Development
submits to more rules and regulations
may tattle, name-call, hit and shove at times
cooperates in simple group tasks
likes to please adults
takes turns during playing and speaking
gets along comfortably with other children
is keenly interested in family activities

Mental Development
begins to recognize letters and words
sustains activities over longer periods of time
has developed an overall image of self
craves facts
names simple colors
understands left and right on self
has a vocabulary of about 2,000 to 2,500 words
can help with chores
can learn address and phone number
can think some things through
counts to 10
begins to understand concept of opposites
can speak in sentences of 6 to 8 words
identifies coins
engages in elaborate dramatic play
understands concepts of morning, afternoon, night; yesterday, today, tomorrow
is better able to distinguish make-believe from real life


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03 Jun 2009, 12:55 am

not necessarily, there's a CRT vs LCD, etc thread below from 2004...;)

I seem to remember the original ENIAC in the 40s was about as powerful as a 80s calculator. It was originally used to calculate range tables, and was so ancient it's bugs were actual insects...;)



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03 Jun 2009, 2:19 am

Astro wrote:
It's all mindblowing.
I grew up along with personal computers and have gone from a couple megahertz Atari computer with 64k memory and tape drive to couple gigahertz Pentium / Athlon computers with a gigabyte of memory and multiple hard drives. That's in a period of about 25 years.


I grow with UNIX-Systems. The first time I worked with a computer was in 1980s on HP-UX V. The "mass-storage" was a box of the size of refrigerator with an "amazing" 6 GB storage. This box was shared between 25 employees.



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03 Jun 2009, 2:30 am

Though of course we're reaching the limits of compactness. Current MOSFET gate technology has them around 10-20nm using Hafnium, while your average atom's ~0.3nm. There's work being done using nano LEDs with visual logic paths and quantum processors, but we're still rapidly approaching our limits (damn it).



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03 Jun 2009, 2:52 am

You can buy a calculator for a buck at Walgreen's and it will have at least 3 times the computing capacity of the computer that took the Apollo missions to the moon. The cellphone in your pocket has exponentially more power than the computers that took up an entire room 35 years ago.

What I find funny was how on the original Inspector Gadget cartoon show, as an example of "crazy, unrealistic technology", Penny had a "computer book". It was neat to see it in the show, thinking that such a thing could never possibly exist, and yet, I'm essentially typing on one right now. Really, the only difference between her "computer book" and my "notebook" is that it's not held like a book.



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03 Jun 2009, 2:32 pm

computerlove wrote:
JohnnyCarcinogen gets the prize for reviving a 4.5 yo thread. It's so old it can wipe its own ass.

Quote:

Physical Development
begins to lose primary (baby) teeth
displays left- or right-handedness
builds elaborate structures
tires easily
bathes, eats, dresses, toilets independently
begins to participate in semistructured games
enjoys active games and movement
enjoys playing noisy rhythm instruments
is curious about reproduction and birth

Emotional Development
begins to express more feelings in words
embarrasses easily, and cannot yet laugh at self
feelings about death appear
shows guilt over misbehavior
likes independence
is serious and dependable

Social Development
submits to more rules and regulations
may tattle, name-call, hit and shove at times
cooperates in simple group tasks
likes to please adults
takes turns during playing and speaking
gets along comfortably with other children
is keenly interested in family activities

Mental Development
begins to recognize letters and words
sustains activities over longer periods of time
has developed an overall image of self
craves facts
names simple colors
understands left and right on self
has a vocabulary of about 2,000 to 2,500 words
can help with chores
can learn address and phone number
can think some things through
counts to 10
begins to understand concept of opposites
can speak in sentences of 6 to 8 words
identifies coins
engages in elaborate dramatic play
understands concepts of morning, afternoon, night; yesterday, today, tomorrow
is better able to distinguish make-believe from real life


Haha :lol: I just started looking back at some old topics and didn't realize I was being a necro (let alone the fact that I didn't even know about forum etiquette regarding necroing).

I just got back into WP, so I guess that's why I started looking at old/dead topics. I just was informed that it was bad form to reinvigorate dead topics Embarassed

I had no idea. I was so embarrassed, because I try to pride myself on good and professional etiquette towards others. But it's hard sometimes.

Apologies to all.


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03 Jun 2009, 4:00 pm

If there isn't a real limit there's going to be a practial limit - anything much smaller than a cell phone would be difficult to use and very easy to get lost.



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03 Jun 2009, 6:05 pm

MattShizzle wrote:
If there isn't a real limit there's going to be a practial limit - anything much smaller than a cell phone would be difficult to use and very easy to get lost.


The limiting factors is fingers, assuming that keyboards or keypads will be the major interface. As far as the electronics of the parts that computer and interchange with memory one can put a the equivalent of a computer that used to fill a warehouse and require air conditioning, into something the size of a shoebox.

Someone must figure a brain to computer link that does not involve big fat fingers.

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04 Jun 2009, 6:07 am

In 1956, someone thought outside the box -->link