Awesome video on the eventual victory of Linux
Its a brilliant marketing video on youtube produced by some redhat people. It draws on imagery outlining the stages of conflict leading to victory.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXDsRoc6MGo[/youtube]
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Even with the rise of Ubuntu, GNU/Linux market share is less than 1% and still pretty much limited to geeks.
When Linux is a serious competitor even to Apple, then we can move past the "laughing at you" stage. Yes, Linux is technically superior to Windows and to Mac OS X. But that alone does not necessarily mean it will grow to dominate the OS market.
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Actually, it is used much more than you think. If you have a cell phone, router, VOIP phone system, PDA, or even a PVR, chances are very good that you are a Linux user. If you enjoy posting to forums, surfing the net, or engaging in Internet chat, you are definitely a Linux user. In many of these areas, other companies and even Microsoft once ruled the roost. Home user desktop computers are the last great challenge for Linux. Even there, it is gaining ground.
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Actually, it is used much more than you think. If you have a cell phone, router, VOIP phone system, PDA, or even a PVR, chances are very good that you are a Linux user. If you enjoy posting to forums, surfing the net, or engaging in Internet chat, you are definitely a Linux user. In many of these areas, other companies and even Microsoft once ruled the roost. Home user desktop computers are the last great challenge for Linux. Even there, it is gaining ground.
Um... well, I am definitely a Linux user, given that I run Ubuntu on this machine and Debian on another. But I'm speaking of the home desktop market: Linux adoption there is extremely low. From experience, I know that the Linux desktop experience equals or surpasses that of Windows or OS X, but that doesn't change the fact that very few people use it. It hasn't gained a whole ton of ground that I can see, but maybe that will change.
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Honestly, I don't want Linux to grow to dominate the OS market. Any one system dominating the market is bad, because too many people will share the same security vulnerabilities (and no, Linux is not automatically indestructible simply because MS didn't write it). Any "victory" of Linux (in terms of replacing Windows) would be a loss, because it would become a giant target. I would rather have a slew of different operating systems in use, none having much more market share than Mac OS X does now, and a lot of emphasis on cross-platform development and compatibility. So Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, Solaris, Windows, and we'd need a few other upstarts to come in and help divide up the OS market into small enough chunks that everyone is safe. And everything I just listed other than Windows is some flavor of *nix, so they will share vulnerabilities.
In any case, the computers of 20 years from now will probably not even be recognizable to us today. It's entirely conceivable that by then Microsoft will have ceased to exist, and Linux could very well have vanished as well. We have no idea in what new directions technology will advance, but I think analyzing any long-term trends in relation to what currently exists is a futile endeavor. I'm still young, and within my memory I have observed an astonishing transformation of computers that I don't think many people anticipated. The idea that everyone would own their own computer was ridiculous fairly recently- if your family owned one, even that was a luxury. I have at least four e-mail addresses of my own, in the past my family shared one. And 4 GB of RAM being fairly typical? I remember a family computer with a 1GB hard drive! Portable computers, laptops, were unknown. Today's heavy reliance on the web did not exist. Linux was the hobby of a Finnish computer geek, nothing more. The only accurate prediction that can seem to be made about the development of computers is that all predictions will be wrong.
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In any case, the computers of 20 years from now will probably not even be recognizable to us today. It's entirely conceivable that by then Microsoft will have ceased to exist, and Linux could very well have vanished as well. We have no idea in what new directions technology will advance, but I think analyzing any long-term trends in relation to what currently exists is a futile endeavor. I'm still young, and within my memory I have observed an astonishing transformation of computers that I don't think many people anticipated. The idea that everyone would own their own computer was ridiculous fairly recently- if your family owned one, even that was a luxury. I have at least four e-mail addresses of my own, in the past my family shared one. And 4 GB of RAM being fairly typical? I remember a family computer with a 1GB hard drive! Portable computers, laptops, were unknown. Today's heavy reliance on the web did not exist. Linux was the hobby of a Finnish computer geek, nothing more. The only accurate prediction that can seem to be made about the development of computers is that all predictions will be wrong.
Well said, and to tell the truth, thats how a lot of us define a win for linux. Because we are interested in sharing and open source.
The headway made by the larger variants of gnu/linux wont just supplant Microsoft. In their wake will arise many operating systems. Bifurcation seems to be the trend. How many distributions are based on Ubuntu/Debian now?
One thing though, seems certain. There needs to be some standardization somewhere, if only for the hardware folks.
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Great Video, However in economic believe wouldn't using Free Software down the U.S Economy. Microsoft, Intel and other Software/ Hardware companies were the prime reasons for the economic boom of the 1990's. That and the .com bubble towards the end of the decade.
Or would it be the other way around and free software and open-standard will help corporate America as well as the average joe be more productive and communicate better.
Don't down me, I've been using many Debian and SuSe derivatives but this is just something I have to know.
I think have more than one viable competitor in the operating system market is a good thing, but too many can be a probelm. I can remember when I first got a computer in the early 1980s, a Commodore VIC-20. Back then we had Commodore, Atari, Apple, TI, Adam, Heath/Zenith CP/M systems, and of course DOS, and none were compatible with each other. The result was software had to be developed for multiple platforms, and that cost money. In some cases, developers would only develop for one or two and if you had one of the others, you'd be left out in the cold. Having a standard platform means resources can be put into producing better software period, and not having to worry about making it compatible with multiple systems in order to be able to sell it.
My opinion was if we had a few platforms, perhaps Windows, Linux, or maybe the old Amiga had survived, perhaps the competition would give MS or the others incentive to produce more stable better running systems. Another thing I think may hold Linux back from becoming more mainstream on desktops is money. To my knowlege, nobody has figured out how to make money selling desktop Linux of software for home user Linux. The profit motive does drive devleopment and without that there, not much will happen. The volunteers in the Linux community have done alot, but I think volunteerism can only go so far.
Does Linux have alot going for it? I honestly think it does. I've used it and found it does run better in many cases than Windows, and even when applications do crash, they don't take the whole OS down with it like Windows. The fact it's harder to infect linux with malware is something else it has going for it. It's not a bad operating system, but I think still has a way to go before it even has a shot at getting market share the way Windows has.
Just my opinion.
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Or would it be the other way around and free software and open-standard will help corporate America as well as the average joe be more productive and communicate better.
Don't down me, I've been using many Debian and SuSe derivatives but this is just something I have to know.
Of course I wont down you. You have an excellent perspective and lots of experience in the computer industry.
Reductionism is beneficial to corporations. To reduce initial costs is the same as increasing profits.
I dont think that what Microsoft did (as far as sales) drove the economy. What they produced and enabled certainly did. That boom would have happened regardless of what they charged. Butnot if they hadnt prodiuced. We owe them a gratitude for the way they changed the world. That is irrespective of the fact that they were for profit.
So I think that, yes, free software will revitalize and perpetuate the growth of the digital realm.
You can think of it as bringing jobs back to America. There wont be a competitive edge for third world programmers. And, amazingly enough, it brings hardware products more in line with the financial ability of third world users.
In this new paradigm, it will be services and hardware that drives things. Silicon Valley cannot be exported. Guys like you will be paid for the work you do, for your expertise, your creativity. As software invades more of the devices in our lives, the opportunities you have for work should increase.
gamefreak, have you ever looked into the arduino products? You might find something there to add to your services.
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Have you ever heard of anyone that makes money selling cookbooks? And yet recipes are free. Our quality of life is in a large way due to cooks, chefs and bakers sharing. And yet, we line up to eat at their restaurants.
Because they are better cooks than we are. And its less labour for us. At the same time, having the opportunity to try do what they do allows us to better appreciate their skills. We become more willing to pay for their services.
Giada De Laurentiis makes a living at giving away her recipes for Italian foods. And its made her wealthy. Her motive for learning to cook? She loves doing it. And shes a great cook because of that.
Say I showed up at your house to fix your vista install. Right next to me was one of the vista developers, and he offered to fix it for the same price. Who would you pay?
You'd pay the REAL expert.
That is why the average technician should be a part of the operating system development. That is why open source makes good sense. The best work comes from insider knowledge, and emotional and temporal investment.
And that is where the profit needs to come from. The labour, the knowledge, not the brand name.
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Or would it be the other way around and free software and open-standard will help corporate America as well as the average joe be more productive and communicate better.
Don't down me, I've been using many Debian and SuSe derivatives but this is just something I have to know.
Of course I wont down you. You have an excellent perspective and lots of experience in the computer industry.
Reductionism is beneficial to corporations. To reduce initial costs is the same as increasing profits.
I dont think that what Microsoft did (as far as sales) drove the economy. What they produced and enabled certainly did. That boom would have happened regardless of what they charged. Butnot if they hadnt prodiuced. We owe them a gratitude for the way they changed the world. That is irrespective of the fact that they were for profit.
So I think that, yes, free software will revitalize and perpetuate the growth of the digital realm.
You can think of it as bringing jobs back to America. There wont be a competitive edge for third world programmers. And, amazingly enough, it brings hardware products more in line with the financial ability of third world users.
In this new paradigm, it will be services and hardware that drives things. Silicon Valley cannot be exported. Guys like you will be paid for the work you do, for your expertise, your creativity. As software invades more of the devices in our lives, the opportunities you have for work should increase.
gamefreak, have you ever looked into the arduino products? You might find something there to add to your services.
I know that Linux will really help a lot of the 3rd world connect, prosper and maybe someday become 1st world nations.
Iceland was a 3rd World nation but sinch its people went along with the times and got out of the stone-age Iceland is now a very wealthy nation.
Hardware sales will also boost and compatibility issues will be kept to the minimal if Linux gets more market share. Also with America and Northern Europe being as where the software giants are will become even more profitable because they can focus more on what needs to get done. Not trying to dodge the fact that their client base is using 2nd rate software.
I honestly can imagine Microsoft becoming more of a Enterprise Programming company specializing in Enterprise Linux. That will be where the money could be were the money could be pouring in in 10 years.
I think you are right on the money there. Like IBM they could shift to a specialty in services. I dont think it will be Microsoft Linux though, but rather that something will be established to allow disparate operating systems to communicate seamlessly.
Certain things are always going to be closed source.
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I installed Ubuntu once and it completely destroyed my paying relationship with Microsoft.
The reason Linux adoption in the home desktop market has been extremely low is because, generally, most distributions haven't been that user-friendly to perform operations that the average home computer user (i.e. nobody on this forum) would want to do. Ubuntu is an exception, and it's only recently, in the past 2 years or so, that it (and related distros such as kubuntu and xubuntu) have really challenged Windoze or OSX for end-user friendliness... Being able to balance between user-friendliness and usability of a product is very hard to pull off successfully...
The arrogant nature that some (emphasis on "some" because I know that this doesn't reflect all) users of any linux distro doesn't help either, and can drive away potential new users... When poeple get an inflated sense of themselves based on the product they use, people who use other products will be subconsciously turned off... that's why, even though Apple does tend to market an OS that is superior to Windows in both user-friendliness and usability, and bundle lots of good software with it, Apple only controls 9% of the market share, compared to the 90% of Windows... I guess the point I'm trying to say is: use whatever OS you want, but don't get so bloody preachy about it...
The reason Linux adoption in the home desktop market has been extremely low is because, generally, most distributions haven't been that user-friendly to perform operations that the average home computer user (i.e. nobody on this forum) would want to do. Ubuntu is an exception, and it's only recently, in the past 2 years or so, that it (and related distros such as kubuntu and xubuntu) have really challenged Windoze or OSX for end-user friendliness... Being able to balance between user-friendliness and usability of a product is very hard to pull off successfully...
The arrogant nature that some (emphasis on "some" because I know that this doesn't reflect all) users of any linux distro doesn't help either, and can drive away potential new users... When poeple get an inflated sense of themselves based on the product they use, people who use other products will be subconsciously turned off... that's why, even though Apple does tend to market an OS that is superior to Windows in both user-friendliness and usability, and bundle lots of good software with it, Apple only controls 9% of the market share, compared to the 90% of Windows... I guess the point I'm trying to say is: use whatever OS you want, but don't get so bloody preachy about it...
Its especially hard not to be preachy when you are an aspie engaged in your interests. So I appreciate having it pointed out. I know I do it, but not always when. I appreciate learning when I need to dial things back a bit.
I agree with you that certain distros have communities that are not exactly friendly to newbies. Some are downright hostile. Which doesn't make much sense at all, as they also wonder why nobody likes their awesome nix flavour. Coupled with a steep learning curve and esoteric software and you get a losing proposition.
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