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31 Jan 2009, 10:36 am

Netbooks: XP now, but Windows 7 later

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Netbooks, the little laptops geared to mainly Web surfing and e-mail, have tiny keyboards, small screens — and the Windows XP operating system on many of them now.....


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01 Feb 2009, 4:13 am

I'm looking forward to toying around with Windows 7 when it gets released. I'm still using XP on all my computers because I'm still not sold on Vista, and the fact that it's apparently being designed with low powered laptops in mind is another selling point of it.



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01 Feb 2009, 6:11 am

Windows 7 on a netbook? Is'n W7 a ressource-hog worse than Vista?


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01 Feb 2009, 7:24 am

What is s the point of putting windows 7 on a net book? Aren't these devices embeded? Even Microsoft recommends windows CE over XP and Vista embedded so obviously they haven't a lot of confidence there.

Doesn't using a bloated operating system kind of defeat the purpose of using a netbook? You want an operating system that boots quick and does your net book essentials.



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01 Feb 2009, 7:30 am

Netbooks are not embedded devices but normal x86 computers, just small, slowish and often with a SSD instead of a harddrive.


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01 Feb 2009, 8:05 am

LostInEmulation wrote:
Windows 7 on a netbook? Is'n W7 a ressource-hog worse than Vista?

Nope. All the people I know who've installed it have found it a lot faster with boot up speeds and such.
It's better configured and such.
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01 Feb 2009, 9:14 am

Haha?

It is faster than Vista, which is not really an amazing accomplishment. It is definitely not faster than windows XP though. And XP itself was terrible for netbooks... I mean, really XP is an amazing OS for desktops and laptops, but running it on a netbook is beyond ridicule.

Though I guess companies will begin releasing 'netbooks' that can run windows 7, well, they would actually be 'netbooks' with a screen as small as a netbook's, the weight of a laptop, the price of a laptop and the energy usage of a laptop. Or maybe they will strip windows 7 of features as much that it will actually be another version of windows, but they will still call it windows 7 so that they can advertise it is light on resources...

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01 Feb 2009, 9:55 am

personally I'd not put windows on a netbook, I'd be more geared to putting Ubuntu onto them, and I have seen one come with Ubuntu, they were offering them with mobile broadband about the time I got my current laptop (I thought it was nice to see a Linux based system finally available, the machine was free with broadband/HSDPA packages, unlike my laptop)

Windows 7 on a netbook = disaster


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01 Feb 2009, 1:43 pm

My Acer Aspire ONE netbook runs well enough with Win XP, it has twice the storage, twice the RAM, and at least four times the speed of
my old Dell Inspiron 1300 I was using two years ago all for 1/3 the cost. It is a bit buggy with Skype and a few other apps but nothing major.


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02 Feb 2009, 8:22 am

LostInEmulation wrote:
Netbooks are not embedded devices but normal x86 computers, just small, slowish and often with a SSD instead of a harddrive.

ok cool.

I checked out some of the old lower end were, but nowadays not.



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23 May 2009, 8:06 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Haha?

It is faster than Vista, which is not really an amazing accomplishment. It is definitely not faster than windows XP though. And XP itself was terrible for netbooks... I mean, really XP is an amazing OS for desktops and laptops, but running it on a netbook is beyond ridicule.

Though I guess companies will begin releasing 'netbooks' that can run windows 7, well, they would actually be 'netbooks' with a screen as small as a netbook's, the weight of a laptop, the price of a laptop and the energy usage of a laptop. Or maybe they will strip windows 7 of features as much that it will actually be another version of windows, but they will still call it windows 7 so that they can advertise it is light on resources...

http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/lin ... ooks-29342


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23 May 2009, 10:35 pm

While I'm glad that they're doing this, as windows 7 has the potential to correct all the "wrongs" that Vista has done(the only one I see is that it is somewhat of a resource hog, but even then people are overreacting), they're setting themselves up for being shot in the foot again. Starter as default on netbooks? Are they serious? I know netbooks aren't terribly powerful, but that will automaticly get taken up by an IM client, ONE part of an office suite, and a web browser. Anyone who does multitasking will find that this simply isn't enough.



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24 May 2009, 12:16 am

I think part of it is MS is having their sales clobbered by Linux...get in, get 'share', get dominant...;)

Someday, they might even come up with 'lindows'...;)



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24 May 2009, 4:59 am

I can't see any good reason for having Vista or Win7 on a netbook. A netbook is basically a computer from 10 years ago with a tiny screen and keyboard. It doesn't have enough power to do that much more than web browsing, word processing, and playing solitaire. These are all things that even a basic Debian Linux system can do flawlessly. Windows is too bloated for a regular computer. My Dual Core Centrino with 4 gigs of ram still runs significantly slower under Windows than it does under Linux. The difference is that the amount of computing power it takes my brand new system to run windows while idling with no applications running is close to the total power of many netbooks on the market right now.

Also it makes me wonder, if a netbook can go for around 200 bucks, how much of that goes into the OEM license for Windows?



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24 May 2009, 6:07 am

normally_impaired wrote:
Also it makes me wonder, if a netbook can go for around 200 bucks, how much of that goes into the OEM license for Windows?


Not much. And they are not happy about that. They had to cut prices to be competitive.

Likewise, if someone decides (foolishly?) that they want MS office on their netbook, its going to cost nearly as much as the computer itself. Not many casual users will spend that sort of money on software.

So dont be fooled. MS is hurting for sales, even disregarding this recession. Windows and Office are their big money makers.

As netbooks flood the market, full size laptops are coming down in price. and of course, desktops have been falling in price... forever now.

So its not just MS against linux and Apple. Its linux and the hardware manufacturers against MS and Apple.

Is intel+AMD+Dell and all the rest bigger than MS? You bet. Waaay bigger. MS makes the most noise, but its the manufacturers who really call the shots.


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24 May 2009, 11:49 am

normally_impaired wrote:
I can't see any good reason for having Vista or Win7 on a netbook. A netbook is basically a computer from 10 years ago with a tiny screen and keyboard. It doesn't have enough power to do that much more than web browsing, word processing, and playing solitaire. These are all things that even a basic Debian Linux system can do flawlessly. Windows is too bloated for a regular computer. My Dual Core Centrino with 4 gigs of ram still runs significantly slower under Windows than it does under Linux. The difference is that the amount of computing power it takes my brand new system to run windows while idling with no applications running is close to the total power of many netbooks on the market right now.

Also it makes me wonder, if a netbook can go for around 200 bucks, how much of that goes into the OEM license for Windows?
I got a netbook from the first generation of netbooks . I have also played with computers more than 10 years ago. Listen to this: netbooks are much more powerful than computers from 10 years ago. Their processors are much faster. The screen is 'small' but even it got a better resolution than what old computers used to have. The SSD disk is much faster than any hard drive back then. And be sure 4 GB would have been sci fi for the guys using those computers . And the biggest difference is that 1 GB of RAM is incredibly large in comparison with the 16 MB standard that was back then...

Not to mention, a good Linux distro like Ubuntu netbook remix's Jaunty jackalope is zillions of times ahead in power, ease of use and speed and stability in comparison to the first windows 98 version.

netbooks are quite useful. I use them for programming, and they are much more portable. No offense to laptops fans, but I'd rather have the smaller screen than having a powerful, expensive computer I can't take with me almost everywhere I go...


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