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15 Aug 2010, 7:27 pm

pakled wrote:

Who knows, there may be species where only 1 in 150 is NT...

If the desire for social connection is as ingrained as it is presented as being - rather than just being circumstantial and cultural pressure to conform; using an ingrained need to be accepted, to teach an excessive reliance on social connections - would they be able to take it?

ie is NT the ability to adapt to the prevalent social customs, or is NT the need to be excessively social?

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16 Aug 2010, 4:47 am

Did you copy that from somewhere DeaconBlues :?:
I never thought of Barkley as having Aspergers. He seemed like a very sever case of Avoident Personality Disorder to me. Lots of his issues seem to be caused by his major anxiety instead of his anxiety being caused by problems connecting & relating to others. His fantasizing, holodeck addiction & his obsessions seemed to be a poor coping technique/strategy due to his anxiety. With all the advances in medicine & psychology in the future; the only thing that really helped him was having Geordie trying to be his friend. Rite now docs & psychs push anxiety meds that are jank

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16 Aug 2010, 11:03 am

The info on Odo and Seven? No, I'm just a Trekkie, sufficiently hard-core that I even watched Enterprise (and wanted to throw things at Berman and Braga over that final episode. Reducing the cast of Enterprise to supporting characters on their own show so they could ring in a bullstuff plot about a TNG episode, and at the same time showing that they totally missed the point of the TNG episode as well - way to go, guys! If that was "a Valentine to the fans", it's the kind that comes with dead flowers and chocolate-covered soap).

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23 Aug 2010, 4:54 pm

Rayvn wrote:

Vulcan is a race, everyone in the race has the same personality traits (because the creators were stupid that way, apparently only humans can have different personalities or something). Spock is not autistic or Asperger's he is a Vulcan. Data does not have Asperger's he is a robot. And yes he had emotions long before emotion chip was installed, he did not however have anger or fear but he did have love as well as affection, though not in the beginning.

Spock is half human. That is the Asperger Half.

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23 Aug 2010, 9:31 pm

First of all, characters like Spock and Data do NOT have Asperger's traits, because 1. they are fictional, and 2. Spock is an alien, and Data is a creation of another human being. How could they have Asperger's traits when they are not real people? Spock is the way he is because he is from another planet, and Vulcans are just known for being logical and rational. Data is the way he is because he is an android, and was therefore created not to express emotions. Asperger's traits are human traits, so you cannot attribute human traits to fictional characters, especially aliens and robots. Second, I hate that people with Asperger's are always being compared to Star Trek characters. Why do people do this? What are they implying? That we are just as cold and unemotional as an alien or a robot? We do have feelings, we just don't know how to express them, that's all. The whole thing just makes me sick! Does anyone else feel this way?
P.S. Did I mention I'm not a Trekkie?

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23 Aug 2010, 10:00 pm

I think we get compared to StarTrek characters because we are kewl Star Trek rules, it rules

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26 Nov 2011, 2:06 pm

Vulcan seem to be modeled after aspire -to an extent- and usually people know more about Vulcan -or other Star Trek characters then aspire.

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26 Nov 2011, 2:45 pm

Chyndonax wrote:

In the Star Trek universe there are no fewer than three main characters who could be described as having Asperger's: Spock, Data, and Odo. I don't think this is a coincidence. I would be willing to bet Gene Roddenberry has Asperger's. Anybody else notice this? Anybody ever see Roddenberry at a convention and see any signs of Asperger's?

Only Spock was close to human. He was half human and half Vulcan.

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29 Nov 2011, 6:40 am

DeaconBlues wrote:

Im not even that big of a ST fan I don't much care for Enterprise either, the joke in Benders Game sums it up nicely. I like the character Shran though. DS9 aint bad lot of interesting characters (ah Weyoun I love you so, you likeable evil bastard) some great stories but TNG for the win for me.

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29 Nov 2011, 9:27 am

Chyndonax wrote:

Gene Roddenberry died in the early '90s, even before Next Generation was at it's midpoint. Odo would seem the least Aspie of the lot there in my opinion though, and Roddenberry wouldn't have had anything to do with his character development since he was dead by then. If going by people who try to convey emotionlessness, then Seven and T'Pol would also be able to be considered Aspie, although the Doctor on Voyager and Malcolm on Enterprise are actually more Aspie-esque than they.

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14 Dec 2011, 11:02 pm

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Frankly, I'm not fond of looking at Sci-Fi and comparing characters who are non-human and comparing them to having AS. It's really the other way around.

An actor tasked with being an "alien" would have to reject his conditioning as a human and immerse himself into a character who knows nothing about how humans interact (unless his new species has similar rituals and customs). That the come across as having AS is really just a reflection of how people with AS act due to their inability to understand most normal human behaviors.

Aliens in TV and movies are not modeled after AS. They are just doing exactly what an alien might do.

This makes a lot of sense. I'm planning a comic centering around a group of kids / young adults who attend an interplanetary academy to equip them for life on a galactic scale (its working title was "Starfleet Academy"). Anyway, one of the human characters is autistic and new to this place, and when she mentions this to the orientation guide, he says, essentially, "Don't worry too much about that. With so many people of vastly different species, everyone you'll meet here is socially impaired, even if they are not when among their own culture."

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17 Dec 2011, 3:50 pm

I am absolutely sure Reginald Barclay and maybe Malcolm Reed due his social withdrawal, workaholism and shyness

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