Flaws of The Dark Knight Rises

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A real pity, that.

A Tale of Two Cities is on my to-read list, although I'm not sure whether to read that or David Copperfield for my next Dickens.



*Facepalm*

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person...or the average radio show host.

Seriously, in The Science of Discworld III: Darwin's Watch, the authors of the real science section put in a bit of a transcript from a conservative radio discussion about evolution, where one of the callers asked, if Darwin was so great, why didn't he get a Nobel Prize? The host said that was a very good point, but what both of them didn't seem to know was that the Nobel Prize only started awarding decades after Darwin died.

Derail over, I hope.

And what's weird is that the guy who produced Kony 2012 was caught jacking off in a public park.

One flaw about DKR? Too short for all it had to pack into the movie. It could have been 2 movies easily.
Unfortunately cinemagoers don't find 3+hr movies kosher. What they did with the 2hr45min runtime though was great.

One flaw of The Dark Knight Rises? Hans Zimmer's score trying to foghorn everyone off the screen, though he is a fantastic composer. But what an incredible ending to THE definitive Bat-trilogy ever.

Ok, i just saw the movie, and i loved it

First off, it wasn't the Lazarus Pit. Second: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/faq#.2.1.64

I can think of a way better flaw...
Talia and Bruce were supposed to have a child... Damian Wayne.
Nothing happened for this to be even possible as I'm not convinced 9 months actually passed and no sign of Talia being pregnant anywhere after the intimacy and before her supposed death in the ship.

Yes it was, it was Nolans version of it. Alfred referred to it as the Lazarus Pit when they were talking about the prison that Bane "came" from.

[quote]="article"]When Bane seized the reactor, it was mentioned that they had about 5 months before it blew up. That gives Bruce enough time for a return trip from anywhere in the world. The same way he had access to Cleanslate, he had friends in high places, which helped him get back to Gotham. Gotham wasn't technically quarantined, as food shipments were allowed in. Citizens just weren't allowed out. That's how the Special Forces team managed to get into the city.[quote]

I don't remember anywhere where it says that food shipments were allowed in. I feel that the person who wrote this is just trying to make a "believable guess" to explain this plot hole. Because first of all while the food shipment thing wasn't mentioned in the movie there would be no reason for food shipments to be coming in. Gotham is a major city with probably at least 2 Wal-Marts and countless supermarkets not to mention a variety of other places that probably have food in them. Bane was trying to cause chaos so it's highly unlikely he'd bring food shipments in when it would be much more like him to encourage people to fight over the remaining food (which there would be plenty of) so again there is no way for Bruce to get back in. Also I was under the impression the CleanSlate really didn't exist but Bruce was just saying this so to get Selina on his side but I might be wrong on that part.

Just because they had a child in the comics doesn't mean they had to have one in the movie. So no that is not a way better flaw and doesn't count as a flaw whatsoever. Although I admit it was kind of disappointing, could have been interesting to have the bomb explode in 9 months rather than 5 so that Talia "could" get prego and have the baby before the climax and when she died in Bruce could have made Blake the Godfather of Damian and raise him to fight with him. (yes I know that it would be ret*d for Bruce to give some rookie cop who he just met custody of his child but a lot of things in these movie make no f*****g sense are f*****g ret*d)

Meh... Fair enough.
I do think Batman in this movie wasn't as... intelligent.
Pretty sure Batman knew of Talia. Not that she'd turn but more to do with her being Ra's daughter.
Also with the whole Bruce Wayne thing at the end, I see two possibilities.
1) Bruce died and Alfred envisions Bruce being happy and settling down since Alfred has piece of mind as such.
2) Bruce lives and lives a life with the clean slate with Selina, he's still charged as Batman for the death of Dent.

Forgot to say I think it's more likely to be option 2 for three reasons.
a) Bruce Wayne never really stops being Batman so really it's just a showing of the trilogy to say... here's a happy ending for Bruce without having to be Batman again.
b) Wayne Enterprises talk about "The Bat" and the autopilot... which at the end brings bewilderment as to whether the autopilot was in the aircraft or not.
c) Killing off superheroes doesn't always go down well with the fans.

I thought it was good, but out of the whole trilogy I think I liked it the least.

A few other minor things that haven't been mentioned:
100 percent of the Wayne fortune's monetary assets could not have been in Wayne enterprises stock. If that were true then every time Wayne wanted to spend money for any reason he would have had to sell shares at whatever the price happened to be. Bruce Wayne had no bank account? That's just silly.

Also, why didn't he do something to secure things that he knew were accessible with his biometric data when he realized it had been stolen?

They did show trucks being allowed in. They were being checked on the bridge. Plus the food in markets would not have lasted long. I used to work in a market. Whenever there was a sign of bad weather, people would clean out the place. Buying the whole store.

Here's my take:

1) Flaw #1--Bruce's downfall. After a terroist attack on a major stock exchange, what's the first thing that the SEC is going to do? Shut down the markets, and void all trades. The whole device of engineering Bruce Wayne's downfall was clunky, ham-fisted and, worst of all, not believable. One of Nolan's great strengths was creating a Gotham that is much closer to our world than to the world of the comic book. There is nothing supernatural about Batman--merely well engineered. But then he let the screenwriters throw in a completely ludicrous plot device.

2) Flaw #2--Bane's arc. So Bane has fanatical followers who are willing to plummet to their deaths in order to present a believable wreck. I'll buy that. He has engineered the complete isolation of Gotham by means of a corrupt deal with John Daggett. No problem. He unleashes chaos in what can best be described as an, "Occupy Gotham" movement. Sure. But then what? Is he the puppet master, or has he simply unleashed chaos with no regard for where that chaos leads? And why has he done this all--merely to fulfil Talia's instructions? At the end we are left not with a super-villain, but a Potemkin villain--a man who is p**** whipped by Talia who is left to die at the back of the shot because he has been reduced to being an obstacle between Batman and the real story which is driving off in a truck. Tom Hardy deserved better.

3) Flaw #3--Alfred. I hope Sir Michael is getting a nice new summer home, because the role that was written for him this time around was appalling. Weepy Alfred was a pathetic shell--and that is entirely due to Nolan and the screenwriters. Caine could have given them anything they wanted, so this was clearly where they wanted Alfred's story to go. Gah!

4) Flaw #4--the screenplay. The movie runs 2:47. That's excessively long, and clearly the editors have been forced to do a hatchet job, because there are all manner of story elements that are simply glossed over, or not addressed at all. This could have been split into two movies, or the story could have been simplified. As it stands, it's a clunky beast of a tale.

Better than Batman Begins, weaker than The Dark Knight, it's still a movie worth seeing.

Here are some things that annoyed me about The Dark Knight Rises.

1. I didn't like how Bane's motivation is tied up with the League of Shadows. We already explored that motivation in the first film. I would have liked it much better if Bane was actually an anarchist revolutionary, instead of just pretending to be one.

2. How did Bruce get back to Gotham? Yes, I can come up with some theories, but it's such an important plot point that it really can't be swept under the carpet. I thought the whole point of the previous setup was to establish that Gotham is nearly unbreachable.

3. The betrayal didn't resonate with me, since it involved a character that we had barely been introduced to. It just felt cheap to me.

4. The Bat-Hovercraft seemed really out of place in Nolan's Gotham.

5. There was very little comic relief. I guess the closest thing to a comic relief character was Catwoman, and she wasn't all that entertaining. In The Dark Knight, the Joker was the comic relief as well as the villain, so it didn't seem so dreary.

6. Batman really should have died several times in this movie. It got to the point where it was just stupid. He gets beaten to a pulp by a guy who can literally punch through walls, he goes through the horrific prison sequence, he gets beaten up by said guy again, and then he gets stabbed.

7. I didn't like how the final confrontation between Batman and Bane was so simplistic. It is literally just a fistfight in the middle of the street. I thought the whole point of the previous fight was to establish that this strategy will not work! Instead, Batman should have somehow manipulated the circumstances of the battle in order to gain an advantage.

He did. Catwoman with the deus ex machina.