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12 Jul 2013, 8:13 am

I just don't get it.

Ender's Game (and sequels) are all about the power of empathy... talk about cognitive dissonance. :?

I wonder when the pod people got to Card?

@ the OP,

I'm gonna wait for the movie to hit Netflix.


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12 Jul 2013, 1:57 pm

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I still find it a bit baffling they the guy who wrote Ender, and about the speaker of the dead, would say such things. Adult Ender would not cast gay people out, or even patronize them, he'd accept them.


Writers' real life opinions aren't always consistent with what they write. James Elroy (most famous for LA Confidential and The Black Dahlia) often portrays cops as corrupt and brutal, and conservatives as stupid and fascistic, and yet in interviews says how much he likes and respects the LAPD, liked Reagan, and slammed Bill Clinton.

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12 Jul 2013, 2:57 pm

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I do not view others work on beliefs but on their work.

Ah, but sometimes it's not easy to separate the two!
Did you ever read The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad. It's a fascinating alternate history book where Adolph Hitler was a sci fi writer and wrote a book called Lord of The Swastika. It's also a fascinating view of art and politics.
I personally find it hard to like the original Buck Rodgers-the artwork is gorgeous, but it is as racist as hell, toward Asians. Flash Gordon had a similar problem, but softened it a little with Ming's daughter Aura being redeemed.
Admittedly homosexuality doesn't really play a role in Ender's Game, unless you count the boy on boy wrestling that reappears in Treason (which was kind of suspicious, wink wink), but it does in Songmaster and Hamlet's Father.


Sounds like a book I do not want to read so I won't? Don't get me wrong if Card was going out nightly with a baseball bat attacking people then I would not read it because of the Criminal acts but speaking his mind is not the same.



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15 Jul 2013, 2:10 am

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You can maybe argue T.S. Eliot was living at a time when Antisemitism was so common place. Today, with gay rights having become the new civil rights movement, Card can't make such arguments to defend himself and expect to be forgiven for the circumstances of where and when he was born.

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Just because society says something is right or wrong doesn't mean it is. Anyway, from the culture Card is from gay rights are not common place.

I say that boycotting Ender's Game because of Card isn't worthwhile, Ender's Game itself has nothing to do with the issue, and Card isn't the only man behind this movie. Anyway, in the very least it's a good book, though I don't think all of the elements would transfer that will to the cinema.


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You misinterpreted what I said. I was commenting on T. S. Elliot's antisemitism, not directly on Card, and pointing out how it really isn't any different from Card's homophobia.


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15 Jul 2013, 2:14 am

Ganondox wrote:
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You can maybe argue T.S. Eliot was living at a time when Antisemitism was so common place. Today, with gay rights having become the new civil rights movement, Card can't make such arguments to defend himself and expect to be forgiven for the circumstances of where and when he was born.

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Just because society says something is right or wrong doesn't mean it is. Anyway, from the culture Card is from gay rights are not common place.

I say that boycotting Ender's Game because of Card isn't worthwhile, Ender's Game itself has nothing to do with the issue, and Card isn't the only man behind this movie. Anyway, in the very least it's a good book, though I don't think all of the elements would transfer that will to the cinema.


I'm sorry, but I think civil rights are always right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You misinterpreted what I said. I was commenting on T. S. Elliot's antisemitism, not directly on Card, and pointing out how it really isn't any different from Card's homophobia.


I guess I did! Sorry. :oops:

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