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20 Sep 2017, 7:13 pm

Well, kind of. She is remarkably like me, I'll admit that, but last time I checked I wasn't a humanoid robot from another planet. :lol:


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20 Sep 2017, 7:15 pm

Nobody's perfect ;-)


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20 Sep 2017, 7:23 pm

I'm honestly not sure if I like Haruhi or not. I guess I'll wait and see.


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20 Sep 2017, 7:34 pm

I really didn't like Haruhi at all. I watched most of the first season ?maybe the entirety. I found it fairly unmemorable and cliche. Didn't care for the non-chronological order it was presented in either, that sort of storytelling should be reserved for something better than a cheap moe-filled high school story. The only thing that I liked was the opening and closing animations. I never understood how the anime got so popular.



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20 Sep 2017, 7:39 pm

So I'll stop watching it.


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20 Sep 2017, 10:25 pm

I've completed around 50 anime series and I'm waiting for NGE level stuff, to discuss like in the old days.



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20 Sep 2017, 11:50 pm

How about the Evangelion movies? I need to get my BD player set up soon to watch those again.

I think a lot of writers and studios would love to come up with the next NGE, but apparently it ain't easy. ;-) On the other hand, I've seen a lot of very creative anime which were also more focused, philosophically. When Supernatural Battles Become Commonplace impressed me in that way, and also My Mental Choices Are Completely Interfering With My High School Comedy. Mecha, global devastation type shows which also have that kind of depth don't spring easily to mind. How about Gatchaman Crowds?

I liked the oddities of Gatchaman Crowds, and even forgave them for Episode 12, sort of. Gatchaman Crowds Insight blew me away completely. It twists reality in ways I found fascinating. I would have thought other people on the spectrum might relate to its comments about society, but I don't recall much discussion of it here.


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21 Sep 2017, 3:35 am

I don't think you have to like the character Haruhi Suzumiya, just perhaps get an understanding of why she acts the way she does, pretty much a fear of boredom. In ways, the force that is Haruhi is actually somewhat of a villain in the series. I have seen a particular video that talked about the big deal with the series is partially by what it meant at the time, like in comparison to the other shows and like, and what anime has does now might have lost some relevancy.

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I liked the oddities of Gatchaman Crowds, and even forgave them for Episode 12, sort of. Gatchaman Crowds Insight blew me away completely. It twists reality in ways I found fascinating. I would have thought other people on the spectrum might relate to its comments about society, but I don't recall much discussion of it here.

Gatchaman Crowds was an interesting series in how I did not realise how good it was or how much I liked it until later. And that was with also seeing how good the second season was, in particular I think it pretty much twisted the message it did with the first series, to give some perspective that a balance is important and being even handed. Also, Hajime is an awesome hero in the best kind of way. She does not presume that something is bad even if everyone else is, and despite being so open to pretty much being a Cloudcuckoolander she is actually incredibly sharp, she is always listening to what other, and just as much as she is to find the good in something she also looks for how something could be a problem.

On other topics, this anime season has been ending, would be a bit much for me to give a quick update to what I have already finished. But there was some curiosity of anime that could be philosophical somewhat like NGE (which I have only watched the movies of and found the third movie really boring), I would throw in my already mention of the now finished Re:creators. It turned out really good, for a special accomplishment, it actually made a midseason recap episode actually amazing. A clash of various anime genre, with great characters, writing, and music.


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21 Sep 2017, 10:48 am

I wish I could understand why people detest Shinji so much. It makes me so sad how they despise him for being sensitive and quiet and claim that he is just whiny and a coward and and for being so reluctant to fight horrifying creatures that would likely unhinge even the toughest, experienced soldier, nevermind a teenager. [Or for being unwilling to kill Kaworu, basically the only person to actually show him love and kindness...]

Imagine if someone made a first-person simulation of every single one of Shinji's experiences. Likely everyone who took it would be completely traumatized.

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21 Sep 2017, 4:42 pm

I'm trying to think of a good name for the phenomenon that occurs when I get near the end of a CLAMP series. I don't want to go on, as the tone gets darker and darker. I know that I have to pay a price for the great story with a great ending, and that price often consists of cruel twists of fate in the case of CLAMP.

CETA -- CLAMP Episode Twenty Anxiety
CIPTA -- CLAMP Immanent Plot Twist Anxiety
CTOF-PTSD-CR -- Cruel Twist of Fate PTSD, CLAMP Related


I'm currently stuck on Episode 22 of Kobato, and I chose that one for its relative mildness.


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21 Sep 2017, 5:41 pm

^Ha, that's a good one. How many have you watched? I've watched all of them except Rewrite, and Anohana because it might as well count even though it was made by different people. Clamp and Kanon are my ultra favourites.
I've never watched Kobato. What's it like?


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21 Sep 2017, 6:08 pm

Tsubasa (Just the discs, except Birdcage)
All of XXXholic (Not just the discs)
Chobits
X/1999
Kobato

It's everything I could buy, plus the abandonware Watanuki. Also the live action Holic (no official release in the US, WTH?). I think I listed everything. I have all the manga for the above, plus Tokyo Babylon, Wish and Clover along with a few art books. I also have a few other series and parts of series by them which I haven't read yet. I usually have some books like that, and eventually find the right time to read them.

Kobato might seem like a moe anime. They give a big chunk of the story at the beginning, but one might fail to note the foreshadowing. I find the title character wonderfully cute. She also shows great strength, as the show progresses and the darkness looms on the horizon. Then, the bill comes due.


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21 Sep 2017, 6:14 pm

^On my bookshelf, I have:
all of Tsubasa omnibus except the fourth [my favourite manga]
all of XXXholic omnibus
all of Cardcaptor omnibus
both Chobits omnibus
Clover omnibus
RG Veda omnibus and the original Japanese volumes [my second favourite manga]
Gate 7 vol. 3

I don't know if I want Wish or not. Tokyo Babylon...just...depressed me. I almost wish I hadn't read the final volume.

In your previous post, I misread Clamp as Clannad for some reason, which is why I mentioned Rewrite and Kanon. Oops. :oops: :oops:


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21 Sep 2017, 6:33 pm

Thanks. The question didn't scan right on my end, either, so I answered what I thought you had asked and overlooked the details.

Out of the Key anime, I don't own any. I watched Little Busters and Kanon, and maybe one more. I have not seen Clannad. I feel a similar anxiety to the CLAMP finales about even starting Clannad. The mental connection makes complete sense, now that I think about that. Little Busters put me through the wringer a few times, but I never saw the last one coming. I didn't take to the characters in Kanon as well, so it didn't affect me as deeply when their tragedies unfolded.

In the same vein, I would like to watch ef: A Tale of Memories and ef: A Tale of Melodies again. It has somewhat more adult content along with the complicated and surprising relationship and character revelations. Like the Key anime, it comes from a visual novel. The character designs have some things in common, too, but ef has phenomenally intense, modern graphic backgrounds instead of moving, subdued hand painted backgrounds. They augmented the storytelling for me. I didn't buy it because I found it so emotionally intense at the time.


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21 Sep 2017, 6:44 pm

I've got Clannad, Kanon, AIR, and Little Busters on my shelf. Basically, it's perfectly safe to watch all of Clannad Season 1, and up to Episode 15 of Season 2 without too much tragedy [Episode 8 and 9 of Season 1 notwithstanding...] I found the whole series [in Japanese] in just two videos on Youtube, so I can pm you the links if you'd like.
I've only seen a few episodes of A Tale of Memories. I can't remember why I stopped. What's Melodies like?


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21 Sep 2017, 6:58 pm

I may know why. I didn't know what to think about the way they handled abuse in ef. I don't recall the details, but perhaps something there didn't sit right with you. I recall discussing Metroid and Your Lie in April with you and Brad, and remembered that kind of element was present in ef, but I just don't know what exactly happened, or even if I understood it at the time. I don't remember it as a prevailing theme of the series.

Penguindrum had a theme of abuse as well, but broadly and in a way that ties in some very sharp social critique. As a study of that theme, I prefer it to Elfen Lied. Penguindrum doesn't resort to as many grotesque displays to make its point. It also has dramatic character revelations and plot twists in abundance.


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