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21 Jul 2010, 5:19 pm

Bruce Wayne is a tortured genius who happens to be skilled in hand to hand combat but would rather fight through intelligence rather than with his fists in guerrilla altercations..

Christian Bales Bruce Wayne is some Billionaire Playboy who knows jack s**t about anything but is also a fighting ninja.

Michael Keaton is alot more like Bruce Wayne like I listed first.

However we have never truly had a real Bruce Wayne on the screen but Bale is the farthest from Wayne we have gotten.

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21 Jul 2010, 5:45 pm

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I prefer the dark knight. batman 89 is incredibly overrated. bale is a much better bruce wayne/batman than keaton. keaton is horrible as bruce wayne. as batman he is also pretty bad. he isn't physically fit enough plus he can't fight. bale is a great bruce wayne, fitting the duality. as batman, he can kick your ass. about the voice, it was edited by the sound editors of the film. his real voice is the one in batman begins, which is good. heath ledger is SO MUCH BETTER than nicholson. he is too silly. also, he is nicholson playing the part. ledger IS the joker. he is funny AND scary. nicholson doesn't have much of either. burton doesn't understand the character, and it really pisses me off when everyone says "89 is closer to the comics." it is not. nothing from the comics is in there. anyone who says that didn't read the comics. joker DID NOT kill Batman's parents, Joe Chill did. Batman doesn't kill!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

: nolan is closer to the comics. anyone who doesn't believe me actually read the comics.

QFT. Let us not forget Bale played morally gray characters, like Bruce Wayne, in other films like Equilibrium, The Machinist and American Psycho.

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21 Jul 2010, 5:59 pm

@Xenu: no. keaton is not bruce wayne. he is extremely socially awkward and doesn't fit the billionaire playboy aspect AT ALL. Bale plays wayne as an actor. he acts like a rich spoiled rotten kid to get the attention away from him. wayne is obsessed with ridding gotham of criminals and the corrupt. that's why he traveled the world for 7 years and trained with ninjas. keaton is not phsysically fit AT ALL. thats why he got the s**t beaten out of him by the african-american goon.

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21 Jul 2010, 6:27 pm

Batman Begins is still the best Batman movie.

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21 Jul 2010, 6:49 pm

@Baatar: you are right The Dark Knight is a better movie overall, but Batman Begins is a better Batman movie.

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21 Jul 2010, 6:51 pm

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@Baatar: you are right The Dark Knight is a better movie overall, but Batman Begins is a better Batman movie.

Right. I describe The Dark Knight as an epic crime drama that just happens to have Batman in it. Batman Begins is a story built from the ground up around Batman.

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21 Jul 2010, 7:43 pm

I hate be the one who has to say this but the vast majority of people of all races, creeds, religions, and backgrounds agree that Nolan's films are far superior. Nolan unlike the writers and directer of the Tim Burton Franchise, Understand Batman. Nolan and his team have portrayed his character and the moral code he lives by much more accurately. Take for instance at the End of Batman Forever where Batman Says something to the effect of I am both Batman and Bruce Wane, not because I have to be but because I choose to be. They couldn't have portrayed Batman more inaccurately if the put him in a tutu. Hardcore Batman fans know that batman doesn't see himself as Bruce Wayne. As far as he is concerned Bruce died beside his parents. He sees himself strictly as Batman. The Nolan films captured this perfectly at the end of Batman Begins when Rachael Told Bruce that his face was his real mask.

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21 Jul 2010, 8:13 pm

@jimdotbeep: can't agree with you more.

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21 Jul 2010, 10:01 pm

Your all wrong! I think Adam West is the best, forget this dark s**t I like a dance number and plenty of flamboyancy.

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21 Jul 2010, 10:07 pm

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Also, Keaton is a murdering thug, not Batman. He kills 3 times in 89 alone. In returns, he is basically a serial killer.

1. When batman blew up the factory. there were tons of people in it and he blew it all up. he was after the joker, but that's a different story.

2. in the church tower, he killed that african-american goon. not only that, but keaton got the crap beaten out of him.

3. he killed the joker. basically in the whole history of the comics, batman can't kill the joker, and joker keeps trying to get batman to kill him. burton just spit all over that.

There is some moral ambiguity in The Dark Knight as well, which basically advocates torture and some people argue America's use of torture. The movie that shows the most respect for rule of law is Batman Begins where batman/Bruce Wayne forsakes the terrorism of his mentor in favor of trials, there is also considerable respect shown towards social services and the poor. The Dark Knight is a better movie but Batman sort of forsakes the more positive stance he took in the first movie, plus the whole great man thing with Dent is, frankly, a crock especially when the people on the boat prove themselves of capable of being just without Batman or Dent.

Nolan's films a certainly more sophisticated but I like both sets of films. I don't think that there would be the Nolan films had it not been for the Burton films. I don't think Burton is as a deep of filmmaker as Nolan, with some exceptions.

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21 Jul 2010, 10:08 pm

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Why don't you read the Batman comics than you can talk kid.

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21 Jul 2010, 10:16 pm

Hey, you know what else was pretty dynamite? The animated series; it had some really good, dark, writing and I think it won some awards.

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21 Jul 2010, 10:39 pm

@Xenu: you read some comics, specifically The Man Who Falls, Batman: Year One, and Batman: The Long Halloween.

@Shadwell: I love the animated series too. and i love batman arkham asylum (the video game) alot as well. I also love Family Guy so adam west does get an honorable mention.

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22 Jul 2010, 12:17 am

imbatshitcrazy wrote:

Listen kid I have been reading Batman for years my grandparents and mother and uncle have collected comics since birth as have I so I have almost every Comic featuring Batman. I know the character much more than you do. And I have read all of those and they aren't specifically Canon (especially year one which is completely out of the Canon entirely). I think I know what I am talking about as I have read all Batman, not the few books you found on the recommended reading list a your local comics store.

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22 Jul 2010, 7:19 am

@Xenu: all right, tell me specifically which comics keaton comes from. not "the aspect of the comics"

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22 Jul 2010, 7:32 am

jimdotbeep wrote:

I hate be the one who has to say this but the vast majority of people of all races, creeds, religions, and backgrounds agree that

Nolan's films are far superior. Nolan unlike the writers and directer of the Tim Burton Franchise, Understand Batman. Nolan and his team have portrayed his character and the moral code he lives by much more accurately. Take for instance at the End of Batman Forever where Batman Says something to the effect of I am both Batman and Bruce Wane, not because I have to be but because I choose to be. They couldn't have portrayed Batman more inaccurately if the put him in a tutu. Hardcore Batman fans know that batman doesn't see himself as Bruce Wayne. As far as he is concerned Bruce died beside his parents. He sees himself strictly as Batman. The Nolan films captured this perfectly at the end of Batman Begins when Rachael Told Bruce that his face was his real mask.

this is true. batman has a strict moral code which is entirely absent from keaton. Keaton just kills and kills people in the burton movies. Also batman is supposed to take out criminals with almost no problem and tie them up for the police to catch. in the opening scene of 89, keaton says, "i'm batman" and jumps off the rooftop WITHOUT tying up the criminal. someone explain this how THAT is anything like the comics.

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