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27 Dec 2010, 4:09 pm

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I am confused. Megatron crash landed on earth thousands of years ago. He has been in the Hoover Dam area since 1934 or so. So he has been frozen for long time. So how can he transform into a jet if he's frozen? There weren't any jets thousands of years ago.


Megatron transforms into a cybertronian jet, a vehicle that is not earth based.



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27 Dec 2010, 6:12 pm

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1. Transformers presents a clear-cut battle of good versus evil. The Autobots are noble, compassionate, they work together and are loyal toward each other; whereas the Decepticons are constantly stabbing each other in the back, which leads to their ultimate downfall. Optimus Prime is the crystallised symbol of good, and he's the one who drags the other Autobots along when the odds seem to be against them, through his strength, courage, and wisdom.

2. It's a story about sentient robots from another planet. In other stories, I find androids less appealing because they are created by humans; the Transformers have originated independently from humans, and have their own culture and vital specs that brought a whole new angle to the concept of robots in sci-fi.

3. The series manages to juggle dozens of characters; 18 Autobots vs 11 Decepticons as of the very first episode alone, which only expanded as G1 progressed. What's so cool in the creators' handling of all these characters, is that as the viewer I never got the feeling that I was looking at one-dimensional background characters I barely knew. Even after the first 3 episodes, we got plenty of nice character bits for everyone, and they manage to keep this up throughout the seasons, niftily choosing to spotlight one or two characters in certain episodes (Microbots, The Master Builder)

4. The animation of G1 was great, imo, for an 80s cartoon. Especially the transformations, but the action scenes in general were crisp. What I like about the old animated transformations is that the Autobots and Decepticons transform 'just like that', because it comes naturally to them; they just sort of stand up or fold out of their vehicle mode and back again. I prefer this to the later anime series which have them posing as if it's a Sailor Scout transformation- even Beast wars is somewhat guilty of this.

Those are the main four reasons I can think of why I like Transformers so much. I must, of course, mention that OTHER main reason that drew me toward this show: they're robots who turn into cars and jets. How awesome is that?


Agree with all of these. Generation 1 is airing in late night on The Hub TV channel, so I am catching up for the first time in 25 years. It's just good escapist fun, and the writing and character development is better than I remembered. Great theme song. You know the good guys will always win in the end, but at the commercial breaks, you still think, "Oh, no, how will they get out of this one?"

There was an episode on last week where the Autobots and Decepticons both bathed in a gold lake and battled in the middle of a forest, unable to injure each other, but totally destroying the forest. It was obviously meant to make a point about environmentalism, and I kept waiting for someone to make a speech and beat us over the head with the message, but it never came. The last scene in the episode is Beachcomber sitting and watching the forest burn and saying, "We won." That kind of subtlety I was not expecting from Transformers.



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28 Dec 2010, 8:10 am

tb86 wrote:
luvsterriers wrote

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I am confused. Megatron crash landed on earth thousands of years ago. He has been in the Hoover Dam area since 1934 or so. So he has been frozen for long time. So how can he transform into a jet if he's frozen? There weren't any jets thousands of years ago.


Megatron transforms into a cybertronian jet, a vehicle that is not earth based.



OH ok. The cybertronian jet is only where the autobots or decepticons live.


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28 Dec 2010, 5:07 pm

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OH ok. The cybertronian jet is only where the autobots or decepticons live.


The Autobots and the Decepticons come from the planet Cybertron.



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28 Dec 2010, 8:20 pm

ok thanks. I get it now. When the Autobots landed on Earth in the 2007 Transformers movie, how come they don't look like what we see them later on? For example, Ironhide crashed in a swimming pool and he looked completely different than we see him again in the dark alley with Sam and Mikela. Do the autobots and decepticons look different in their planet compared to when they find a vehicle to transfer into? Sorry I never watched the cartoons from the 1980s or even the movie that came out. I just saw the 2007 and 2009 movies.


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29 Dec 2010, 11:19 am

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ok thanks. I get it now. When the Autobots landed on Earth in the 2007 Transformers movie, how come they don't look like what we see them later on? For example, Ironhide crashed in a swimming pool and he looked completely different than we see him again in the dark alley with Sam and Mikela. Do the autobots and decepticons look different in their planet compared to when they find a vehicle to transfer into? Sorry I never watched the cartoons from the 1980s or even the movie that came out. I just saw the 2007 and 2009 movies.


You're right. Whatever Ironhide transformed into on Cybertron, it went with his robot form. When he took the form of a GMC Topkick C4500 pickup truck his robotic form changed shape too to go with his vehicle form.



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30 Dec 2010, 3:27 pm

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Agree with all of these. Generation 1 is airing in late night on The Hub TV channel, so I am catching up for the first time in 25 years. It's just good escapist fun, and the writing and character development is better than I remembered. Great theme song. You know the good guys will always win in the end, but at the commercial breaks, you still think, "Oh, no, how will they get out of this one?"

There was an episode on last week where the Autobots and Decepticons both bathed in a gold lake and battled in the middle of a forest, unable to injure each other, but totally destroying the forest. It was obviously meant to make a point about environmentalism, and I kept waiting for someone to make a speech and beat us over the head with the message, but it never came. The last scene in the episode is Beachcomber sitting and watching the forest burn and saying, "We won." That kind of subtlety I was not expecting from Transformers.

I never appreciated the Golden Lagoon episode that way. It made an impact on me when I saw it as a child, then when I saw it again on DVD much later, I felt the scenes with Perceptor and Seaspray emprisoned in the Decepticons' HQ, and the Decepticons' attack on the Autobots halfway through the episode, distracted from the subplot of Beachcomber in the wilderness (my favourite part).

Now that you brought it up, I, too, can appreciate Beachcomber being the only one who even sees all the destruction the battle has caused.

It's cool you can catch the old episodes on TV. As far as I know, here in the Netherlands, the show hasn't aired since 1997 (fortunately, I have them on DVD now :)). Season 2 is probably my favourite season, it has a lot of episodes that are little character studies, also quite subtle.
And how does the voice acting hold up in your opinion? I think it's great, personally, fine delivery most lines.


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