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21 Aug 2011, 12:28 am

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Deckard, in the book, is certainly “robot-like”, and constantly worrying about how his job is destroying his humanity. However, Deckard in the movie is completely different. Movie Deckard is plagued by his own empathy. The fact that he too closely identifies with his targets is why he quit being a Blade Runner. It fits right in thematically with Roy and the rest… After all Tyrell’s motto is “More human than human,” and that describes Deckard and Roy both.


I think it's the androids that are completely different, not Deckard. In the book, they're the villains. They're cold-hearted, emotionless, and amoral. In the film, they're the underdog heroes. They have feelings, emotions, and passions. In the book, killing the androids initially causes Deckard to struggle with his humanity, but he later finds it easy to kill Pris, Roy, and Irmgard because he ultimately rejects their inhumanity. In the movie, he struggles up until Roy's "tears in rain" speech, and he doesn't fully reject the inhumanity until then. I think he's the same person, though. But regardless of these differences, the message of the movie and the book are the same: "Don't be a robot. Hang onto your humanity."

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I hated that "no incept date" crap that they put into the end of the movie with Deckard's voice over. Everything's fine and dandy, and he won't have to worry about Rachel ever dying. This totally ignores the whole fragility and uncertainty of life that had been a recurring theme through out the movie. A better ending to go with - minus mention of incept dates - were Deckard's final words, "I don't know how much time we have together. Who does?"


You're talking about the theatrical version, with a voiceover and forced happy ending. The director's cut (and final cut) gets rid of the voiceover entirely and ends with Deckard and Rachel leaving his apartment and getting into an elevator. Cut to credits. It doesn't have the line "I don't know how much time we have together. Who does?" but the point is the same.

Of course, this ending also has Deckard finding an origami unicorn on the ground before stepping into the elevator, which is Ridley Scott's way of saying, "I think Deckard's a Replicant," so this version isn't entirely satisfying, either.



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21 Aug 2011, 1:01 am

Jory wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Deckard, in the book, is certainly “robot-like”, and constantly worrying about how his job is destroying his humanity. However, Deckard in the movie is completely different. Movie Deckard is plagued by his own empathy. The fact that he too closely identifies with his targets is why he quit being a Blade Runner. It fits right in thematically with Roy and the rest… After all Tyrell’s motto is “More human than human,” and that describes Deckard and Roy both.


I think it's the androids that are completely different, not Deckard. In the book, they're the villains. They're cold-hearted, emotionless, and amoral. In the film, they're the underdog heroes. They have feelings, emotions, and passions. In the book, killing the androids initially causes Deckard to struggle with his humanity, but he later finds it easy to kill Pris, Roy, and Irmgard because he ultimately rejects their inhumanity. In the movie, he struggles up until Roy's "tears in rain" speech, and he doesn't fully reject the inhumanity until then. I think he's the same person, though. But regardless of these differences, the message of the movie and the book are the same: "Don't be a robot. Hang onto your humanity."

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I hated that "no incept date" crap that they put into the end of the movie with Deckard's voice over. Everything's fine and dandy, and he won't have to worry about Rachel ever dying. This totally ignores the whole fragility and uncertainty of life that had been a recurring theme through out the movie. A better ending to go with - minus mention of incept dates - were Deckard's final words, "I don't know how much time we have together. Who does?"


You're talking about the theatrical version, with a voiceover and forced happy ending. The director's cut (and final cut) gets rid of the voiceover entirely and ends with Deckard and Rachel leaving his apartment and getting into an elevator. Cut to credits. It doesn't have the line "I don't know how much time we have together. Who does?" but the point is the same.

Of course, this ending also has Deckard finding an origami unicorn on the ground before stepping into the elevator, which is Ridley Scott's way of saying, "I think Deckard's a Replicant," so this version isn't entirely satisfying, either.


Actually, I own the director's cut. I should have explained that I was referring to the theatrical release.

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21 Aug 2011, 6:29 am

and now for a contrary opinion - for those of us unsophisticated crapkicking hick children of a lesser god who have perceptual difficulties, the international theatrical version of blade runner [unrated] was the best of all worlds. i would not have remotely understood the movie sans voiceover narration.



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21 Aug 2011, 1:41 pm

auntblabby wrote:
and now for a contrary opinion - for those of us unsophisticated crapkicking hick children of a lesser god who have perceptual difficulties, the international theatrical version of blade runner [unrated] was the best of all worlds. i would not have remotely understood the movie sans voiceover narration.


My problem with the voiceover isn't that it explains things for the audience, and I don't think anyone is stupid if they don't understand the movie without it. My problem is with the quality of it. Harrison Ford sounds like a bad soap opera actor when he's reading it. It completely ruins the greatness of the film for me. (Frank Darabont describes on the Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner documentary: "It's like having sex and someone dumps cold water on you.") I wouldn't object to a new version with a re-recorded voiceover from Ford.



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21 Aug 2011, 2:19 pm

The voiceover will always be a thorny subject. Ridley Scott was initially ok with the idea of a voiceover, in response to the idea that some early test viewers of the film were confused by it. However, he found it difficult to make it work without sounding lame. The voiceover was subsequently produced without Scott's involvement, but Harrison Ford was contractually obliged to do the recording.



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21 Aug 2011, 3:46 pm

Jory wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
and now for a contrary opinion - for those of us unsophisticated crapkicking hick children of a lesser god who have perceptual difficulties, the international theatrical version of blade runner [unrated] was the best of all worlds. i would not have remotely understood the movie sans voiceover narration.


My problem with the voiceover isn't that it explains things for the audience, and I don't think anyone is stupid if they don't understand the movie without it. My problem is with the quality of it. Harrison Ford sounds like a bad soap opera actor when he's reading it. It completely ruins the greatness of the film for me. (Frank Darabont describes on the Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner documentary: "It's like having sex and someone dumps cold water on you.") I wouldn't object to a new version with a re-recorded voiceover from Ford.


I actually like the voiceover... It's quite charming in a b-movie, film noir sort of way. Add the unicorn dream and elevator ending to the ITV and it would be the ultimate version of the film.

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21 Aug 2011, 3:50 pm

I'm with Frank:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_nsSxblpoI[/youtube]



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21 Aug 2011, 5:25 pm

Update!

No Harrison Ford.

“This is a total reinvention,” the producers say.

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21 Aug 2011, 6:31 pm

All I can say is, DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN DON'T LET THEM SHOOT THIS IN 3D!! !! ! :x


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21 Aug 2011, 6:35 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
All I can say is, DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN DON'T LET THEM SHOOT THIS IN 3D!! !! ! :x


If they do, i hope they at least do a good job of it. By that i mean, no stuff flying at the screen for no other reason then to show off the 3D.


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