12 Jan 2012, 11:23 am
Alright, check this out:
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You need to turn the tables to get him to chase. Like all men , socios get bored when there is no chase or excitement. The most important thing you can do is keep him guessing.
What worked with mine when he started acting this way was to decide that I could and would walk away. I never verbalized this to him, but he sensed it. They are extremely good at that.
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Look like you are trying to keep from being caught at something and don't let him "catch" you. And I'm telling you the more you hide what you are doing the more he'll care, especially if you start being unavailable for plans.
You have given him a chase, a challenge, competition and a mystery. It kills the boredom and makes him second guess the slot he's placed you in. Worked for me.
What worked with mine when he started acting this way was to decide that I could and would walk away. I never verbalized this to him, but he sensed it. They are extremely good at that.
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Look like you are trying to keep from being caught at something and don't let him "catch" you. And I'm telling you the more you hide what you are doing the more he'll care, especially if you start being unavailable for plans.
You have given him a chase, a challenge, competition and a mystery. It kills the boredom and makes him second guess the slot he's placed you in. Worked for me.
From here. Sounds just like Sherlock and Irene to me
Arguing this is stupid anyway, we all know that Sherlock is a sociopath because he f**king well said so in the very first episode. It's completely canon in the show. It's not even debatable.
How about you tell me exactly why he isn't one if you still want to continue this line of enquiry? As I said, though, since it was specifically stated in the show that he is a high-functioning sociopath, you're gonna have a hard time arguing this.
12 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
Asp-Z wrote:
Alright, check this out:
From here. Sounds just like Sherlock and Irene to me
Arguing this is stupid anyway, we all know that Sherlock is a sociopath because he f**king well said so in the very first episode. It's completely canon in the show. It's not even debatable.
How about you tell me exactly why he isn't one if you still want to continue this line of enquiry? As I said, though, since it was specifically stated in the show that he is a high-functioning sociopath, you're gonna have a hard time arguing this.
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You need to turn the tables to get him to chase. Like all men , socios get bored when there is no chase or excitement. The most important thing you can do is keep him guessing.
What worked with mine when he started acting this way was to decide that I could and would walk away. I never verbalized this to him, but he sensed it. They are extremely good at that.
[...]
Look like you are trying to keep from being caught at something and don't let him "catch" you. And I'm telling you the more you hide what you are doing the more he'll care, especially if you start being unavailable for plans.
You have given him a chase, a challenge, competition and a mystery. It kills the boredom and makes him second guess the slot he's placed you in. Worked for me.
What worked with mine when he started acting this way was to decide that I could and would walk away. I never verbalized this to him, but he sensed it. They are extremely good at that.
[...]
Look like you are trying to keep from being caught at something and don't let him "catch" you. And I'm telling you the more you hide what you are doing the more he'll care, especially if you start being unavailable for plans.
You have given him a chase, a challenge, competition and a mystery. It kills the boredom and makes him second guess the slot he's placed you in. Worked for me.
From here. Sounds just like Sherlock and Irene to me
Arguing this is stupid anyway, we all know that Sherlock is a sociopath because he f**king well said so in the very first episode. It's completely canon in the show. It's not even debatable.
How about you tell me exactly why he isn't one if you still want to continue this line of enquiry? As I said, though, since it was specifically stated in the show that he is a high-functioning sociopath, you're gonna have a hard time arguing this.
It is debatable because there is always the possibility he got it wrong. He presented his own idea and everybody else presented theirs (Watson and that police guy).
I agree it does sound like it with Adler, however you also have to recognise that he is always prepared to chase down a mystery. For most of the episode that's exactly what he was doing. Investigating and s**t. During the last bit he apparently tracked her down to the middle east or whatever. He put himself in harms way and that's not something a sociopath is known for. I think in this case the possible autism wins out as the explanation.
Again, your link isn't particularly credible. I don't want to say the information is wrong but there's nothing there to back it up.
12 Jan 2012, 12:42 pm
12 Jan 2012, 1:18 pm
Asp-Z wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
It is debatable because there is always the possibility he got it wrong. He presented his own idea and everybody else presented theirs (Watson and that police guy).
1. I'd say that someone as analytical as him is more likely to be correct, no?
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I agree it does sound like it with Adler, however you also have to recognise that he is always prepared to chase down a mystery. For most of the episode that's exactly what he was doing. Investigating and sh**.
2. Well of course, he's Sherlock Holmes.
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During the last bit he apparently tracked her down to the middle east or whatever. He put himself in harms way and that's not something a sociopath is known for. I think in this case the possible autism wins out as the explanation.
3. Because of the kind of thing described in the post I quoted. And he wouldn't have believed himself to be in any danger because he believes he's above that - in fact, in general he goes on about how everyone else is stupid and how he's smart, which to his credit is true, but Aspies don't tend to boast. A sociopath, on the other hand, often has an inflated sense of self-worth.
1. Not necessarily. He's been wrong about aspects of cases multiple times now. It can also be harder to 'know yourself'. When he made the statement that he was a sociopath in the show it was designed to give the audience the impression that he genuinely doesn't care about anyone but himself. By the end of the first series we realise that this isn't quite true. To me this was supposed to be a revelation that's he's not actually a total psychopath. I think when you compare him to Moriarty you see the difference between them. Moriarty is 100% a sociopath. I just don't feel Sherlock really fits it.
2. Yeah
3. What I meant was that it seemed like the final search for Adler was outside of his obsession for his cases and done more out of sympathy or compassion or something. I've changed my mind about this though, as it could more simply be an attempt to challenge Moriarty. I guess your point may apply all the same. The writers basically have to go out of their way to put someone like Sherlock in danger.
12 Jan 2012, 1:47 pm
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You have a point about Sherlock not denying it, but again, he cares for only two people. We're going around in circles here 
13 Jan 2012, 7:30 am
Asp-Z wrote:
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Was drugging Watson really that big a deal? I thought he did as a kind of practical joke. He seemed to be enjoying it :/
If that's the case then it proves my point even further.
A bit of speculation: Sherlock "used" John to solve the case because that was the priority, but it was in laboratory conditions (
) and he knew that John was not in danger at all, so nothing could have harmed him anyway.
To me, Sherlock looks more like he wants to be a sociopath (he did say that he wants to keep himself detached from feelings), rather than he actually is one.
13 Jan 2012, 9:01 am
16 Jan 2012, 8:54 pm
Not many AS moments on last night's episode, but a few. In the opening scenes, Holmes is extremely awkward when accepting gifts, and Watson needs to point out sarcasm to him. If there were any more, I can't remember them. I was too enthralled with the drama.
