No Legend of Korra thread yet?
I am the biggest fan of The Last Airbender: Legend of Aang. Only recently i found out about The Legend of Korra. I watched the trailer on Youtube and i was really put off. I know wars innovate alot of technologies but i don't see how in 70 years a town such as the Earth Kingdom could turn into a gigantic metropolis even more beautiful than modern day New York. Another thing i disliked is that Aang is not the main character anymore, or any of the other sidekicks. My favourite character was Uncle Iro.
I dislike Korra because it seems like a modern day steam punk anime resembling nothing of the original Airbender. But my oppinion is somewhat worthless because i haven't seen a single episode yet, i will soon though and might change my mind.
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I bring good news! Nickelodeon has ordered 26 new episodes for Legend of Korra, to make it a grand total of 52 *squee*
Also, this image
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Also, I forgot to mention that the ending was awesome
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I've seen all the episodes of Korra. They were pretty good. I didn't like Korra the character at all though. She's quite obnoxious. Destroying that ancient Wind artifact on the island, expecting to do the test in one go. Second thing i didn't really like was she HAD to fall for the mean and distant prick while the guy that loved her gets treated miserably.
I also don't like that people watching Legend of Korra go hating on Legend of Aang. Legend of Aang was 10.000 times better. But aside from that it was good. Ah just looking at that picture.. What could have been if they continued LoA. ![]()
Hi, I've noticed that this is the most active LoK thread, yet no one has been on here since Book 2 aired.
So what did you all think of it? Personally, I thought the first six episodes were meh. But after seeing "Beginnings part 1 & 2", my hope for the season was renewed.
And OMG! That finale was amazing!! !
Though many Makorra shippers (myself included
) are still not happy with that particular ending.
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Hi. I loved the second season too, although I still feel like there was a lot of wasted potential for the first one; and I didn't anticipate new episodes of this one as the ones from the first one. Still, it was a very good story. I'm not sure about Makorra... or more specifically, about Mako. He was an absolute arse with Asami, I feel really bad for her.
I wonder whether Korra will be able to recreate the connection with all previous avatars, too. And I loved seeing my favorite Iroh in one of the episodes lol. I also wonder what will they come up with in the third season, there are plenty of dangling threads that can be made good use of.
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Short-hand version for those who don't like reading long posts:
I watched Korra Book 1 and 2 - though I found there were a lot of problems with Last Airbender Easter Eggs, pacing and wonky characterisation, they were okay shows and I can understand why they are very popular with Airbender fans. They're not terribly bad and do some great things sorely missing in modern-day American animation. But could do better.
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With that out of the way, I'm getting onto the meat of my post. I write this as a spectator, so forgive me if I sound a bit clinical or even cynical. I just thought it'd be interesting to highlight some trivia about Korra since this may have affected how both seasons ran, and what will happen with Book Three next year. And there's some of my own thoughts and feelings in this, so don't get offended or anything, at no point do I condemn the Korra or Airbender franchise, nor do I think badly of any fans, etc.
Now, originally, Legend of Korra was never planned to have existed -- Bryan Krozyneito (one of the series creators) amongst others were cajoled into doing the sequel series by Nickelodeon, who wanted to capitalise on Airbender Avatar's (mostly American) success. However, following the disastrous reception of the live-action movie by M. Night Shyamalan, which tried to appeal to everyone (entertaining nobody in the process), Nickelodeon were rather adverse to paying for a full series; after all, the original Airbender Avatar was a huge gamble in itself because prior to that, there hadn't really been an original American-funded anime-esque (not just in terms of visual art-style, but the fact that it was continuity-driven with permanent character-development and very lengthy arcs) beforehand - at least, not one with merchandise or international exports in mind. So Korra was only specifically funded for a 13 episode run.
Krozyneito's team however had to fight tooth and nail to let Korra turn out the way it has done. Originally, Korra was supposed to be a very direct sequel to Aang's story but as early press releases indicate, Krozyneito wanted to make a series that didn't indirectly command that you have to watch the original Airbender Avatar in order to understand everything. Whether he and the producers succeeded at this is open to interpretation (I personally don't think they did). Executive meddling also forced the producers to include the Bending Championships; Nickelodeon was (unjustly) scared a female lead character would turn away the much sought-after 8-13 boys demographic. Veteran animation screenwriter Paul Dini (Batman: The Animated Series amongst many others) has also highlighted this problem with Cartoon Network executives as one of the reasons behind Young Justice's cancellation.
At any rate, Korra Season (or Book) 1 I saw for myself and whilst fairly flawed (in my opinion), it was an okay show. I take my hat off to the writers for introducing socio-political issues and not speaking down to its intended audience. They really pushed the envelope out in terms of what can be told and used in (American) animation, what with Amon's rhetoric and all. It wasn't perfect - with such a limited amount of episodes, the pacing was jarring at times, the characterisation could've used some tweaking (ie. Boylin) and that reset-button ending... though, to be fair, at the time of production, Krozyneito himself admitted they had no idea whether Nickelodeon would green-light a second series so they had to wrap up things fast in case it was a no. Obviously with our retrospective now, it was clear Korra would get recommissioned; after all, the show is immensely popular in its native USA.
Yet Nickelodeon have a strange editorial policy - it wasn't until mid-2011, they actively announced more funding for animated shows (albeit franchise-driven ones, ie, the strange acquisition of Raving Rabbids, despite Ubisoft having long since moved on from the Rayman franchise, and the contractual obligation with Dreamworks and the TV series of Monsters vs Aliens*) and even now, I still can't fathom at what Nickelodeon's strategy is; half the time, they don't seem to like airing the material they do have, instead favouring cheaper-to-make live-action shows.
Anyway, getting back on course, Korra got recommissioned for a further 26 episodes. Sadly, at the time I learnt this, I didn't realise that by 26 episodes, they meant two 13-episode seasons. I would've thought that one of the things the writing team learnt from Season 1 was that they either had to increase the episode count (though, with Nickelodeon's policy, this was highly unlikely**), or cutback story-content wise so there was enough breathing room for everything to evolve organically, especially knowing that there was a very good chance of getting recommissioned considering Avatar's popularity.
Sad as it is to say, I didn't actually last through all of Season 2 at all - I dropped the series about three episodes before the end. Whilst I could understand in the grand scheme of things as to why Korra was so un-likeable in the first six episodes, and why there was so much focus on Tensen's familial issues, Season 2 seemed rather... unfocused, even muddled.
Again, socio-political issues were examined so I actually do congratulate the writers again on that score, as well as the quasi-religious faith arguments. I can't think of any American animation (outside of satire, re: American Dad, Family Guy, Futurama, South Park and arguably The Simpsons in a clumsy fashion) that has had the bravery to do that. But at the same time, there was a lot of fluff and nostalgic navel-gazing (Tensen's youngest getting a lemur-bat of his own, and Iroh yet again!); to me, this felt quite unnecessary considering how low the episode count was and in true anime fashion, I foresaw a "oops, we're running out of episodes! We got to get serious and wrap this up quick!"*** And as was the case with Season 1, whilst the ideas they tried to convey were very good, the execution of how they played out wasn't, at least not to me. It really says something if I far more enjoyed the Wan 2-parter than watching Korra and company.
Following Bryan Krozynieto's blog on Tumblr, some of the problems may come from the fact that for season 2 of Korra, the animation work was split between Studio MIR and Studio Pierrot. For non anime fans, Pierrot is responsible forboth the Bleach and Naruto anime phenomenon. Studio MIR, who are based in the Philippines, have handled all Airbender work, including Korra, so needless to say, they'd be familiar with how the show operates. Studio Pierrot, on the other hand are Japanese and we all know the comparable differences between Western and Japanese animation. Let's just say that... you could tell which episodes Pierrot worked on and Studio MIR, back at the beginning of December, gleefully announced "We're pleased to confirm that we have won the exclusive rights for Korra Book 3! We start early next year!" Evidence speaks for itself...
I feel rather sorry for Studio Pierrot in that fashion because 2013 hasn't been kind to them - their long-runners, Bleach and Naruto are coming to an end and the various other projects they've tried haven't lasted long (Tokyo Mew Mew, Letter Bee, Blue Dragon) even if they have been popular (re: Polar Bear Cafe), Naruto's Rock Lee spin-off). Not sure what the result of getting dropped by an American company will be...
That said, I'm rather... concerned for what the future of Korra will be with Season 3. Needless to say, it's not all doom and gloom - Korra will receive an audience no matter what. Avatar is a popular franchise and to surpass the half-decade mark is an achievement in itself -- I can't remember an original animated TV show doing that without some toy or film conceived at the point of conception). From what I heard, Korra herself has severed all spiritual ties with previous Avatars so maybe that's a symbolic gesture to say "No more retrospectives! We're doing our own thing now!" Maybe the writers will be more free to take Korra in a different direction without having to worry about canonicity so much -- it worked for Man-of-Action and Ben 10 Omniverse **** after all.
In that light, I'm quietly optimistic. The long gap between Korra Book 2 and 3 may be a chance for the writers to examine what works and what doesn't and hopefully sort out their issues. I really want to like Korra as I never had the chance of growing up with the original Airbender series*****. But it's hard to if the writers (and Nickelodeon) keep sabotaging it (accidentially or pre-concieved, I don't know) , if you know what I mean?
Anyway, there you go -- most of the last paragraph is personal opinion and and I'm quite picky with what I watch. Though there are problems, I praise Korra and what the team behind it have done. They're at least trying something that isn't striving to be an instant Internet hit (Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Regular Show, etc) or merely exists to sell something (too many examples to list). Kudos to them I say.
We can only wait and see what the future brings really.
Thanks for bearing with me - I just wanted to post something informative as well as putting out my two cents (not that there's anything wrong with praising a show, etc!).
Footnotes--
* Dreamworks jumped the gun and greenlit a Monsters vs Aliens TV series before the movie premièred. Nickelodeon are simply following through with the contract airing it, despite the movie's poor performance. It's the same case with Turbo on Netflix. I believe Dreamworks are planning to launch their own television channel at any rate as Nickelodeon and CN don't seem interested in Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon either.
** Action cartoons are very unpopular with executives these days, as proved by the demise of DC Nation with Cartoon Network and the limited funding Disney put into their Marvel animated content, with the arguable exception of Ultimate Spiderman.
*** Trigun and to a lesser extent Excel Saga do this, in my opinion.
**** Omniverse takes place between Ben 10's original series and Ben 10: Alien Force when the titular character is 15. To get around the problem of having monsters appear in Omniverse that would have originally debuted in Alien Force, the show itself openly acknowledged the story was being moved to a parallel universe - the writers could do whatever they wanted now without contradicting themselves.
****** Nickelodeon UK put more emphasis on finishing As Told By Ginger and Rugrats All Grown Up than introducing Avatar; even this past year, the UK only officially started Korra Season 1 as the US was halfway through premièring Season 2.
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Ok, I think I am no longer the biggest Korra fan around here, if I even was in the first place
You touched a point that bothered me a lot, the first season ending. It was too... neat. It is my honest belief that they had very interesting material for a whole second season in there, Korra dealing with the loss of her powers, as everyone else, or the change in Republic City's politics, although there was something that bothered me even more.
Tarrlok was set to be an awesome villain. The part where he cut off power to non-benders and began mass arresting them, becoming drunk with power and a monster potentially worse than the one he was trying to fight, that part was incredibly powerful to me. He gave legitimacy to Amon, in that moment I seriously thought that Amon could end up as a secondary villain to him, and it was my honest belief that Korra's duty was to stop Tarrlok from harming the non-benders ("you're our avatar too", wow) I saw a three way fight between Amon, Tarrlok and Korra, and it was awesome. But two chapters later Amon got him, and all of what happened got simply sweeped under the rug, never to be mentioned again. And the show failed to address whether non-benders status as second-class citizens was ever resolved. There was a president instead of a council, but that was a very superficial fix for the issues that were shown in the first season.
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I also don't like that people watching Legend of Korra go hating on Legend of Aang. Legend of Aang was 10.000 times better. But aside from that it was good. Ah just looking at that picture.. What could have been if they continued LoA.
I wound up not liking Korra, either, but not entirely due to her personality. Aang could be a little obnoxious, too, but he went through immense personal growth over the course of the show when it was focused heavily on character development. LoK has been more about action and romance, and paid very little attention to character development.
Aang's problems early on were fear and nostalgia, whether it was of firebending because of how different the element of fire was from him, having to fight with the intent to kill the Fire Lord, or what he'd lost at the Air Temple. He resolved them in sensible ways as he "grew up."
Even Zuko and many of the villains were given their emotional dues. I forget the name of the episode, but at one point he, Mai, Ty Lee, and Azula all sat around a fire and we got to see the human beings behind the bad guys. They were real issues that real people have but often struggle more with than the problems in LoK, such as having seemingly sourceless emotions of anger or despair rooted in childhood, wanting to be proud of being a "freak" or find ways to be noticed by others, or having to put on a mask for so long that you begin to lose yourself and your ability to connect to others.
Korra's problems have been... daddy issues, boy problems, and being reckless? LoK's villains so far have had motivations, but beneath that they were just extreme in their opinions and personality.
Couldn't agree with you more. That's exactly what me and my friend thought as we didn't care much for the very tail end of Korra's final episode either. The fact that Korra could suddenly airbend after her Avatar abilities were impeded was a bit of a stretch, but the "Aang Reset Button" (as we called it) and Mako's revolving door relationship policy really beggared belief. All this, especially after the excellently executed drama of Tarlok and Amon's relationship (pacing aside); that scene on the boat was award-winning material!
If only Nickelodeon would invest more money for a longer running show, then Legend of Korra wouldn't be so horribly patchy in places (especially with its villians' motivations). There are some amazing ideas and concepts used in Korra, some original, others expanding on what The Last Airbender introduced. But with 13 episodes, it seems to me there's simply not enough time to openly explore everything properly (the most obvious example being the tyronic attempts at romance; poor Asami!)
My fingers are crossed for Season 3 to tighten up the writing or editing or something to make something truly momentous of Korra.
