Did anyone think Dark Knight Rises was a disapointment?

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25 Nov 2012, 2:28 pm

It was a good movie if you ignore the fact that it's a Batman film. What pissed me off about it is it left out a bunch of elements that make Batman movies great, such as the dark overtone, the stealth moves, etc. I don't think Batman even used any of his gadgets in this movie, and most of it took place in the daytime! I would have also liked to have seen the Joker make at least a cameo appearance. In this movie, they act as if he never even existed, but they have no problem bringing The Scarecrow back.

I gotta admit, Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was super hot. I had the hots for her ever since seeing that movie and I thought she was really hot in Alice in Wonderland as the White Queen. However, that was all short-lived as soon as she made a trip to the Les Misreables barber shop.

Plus, is it just me, or did the scene where Batman was trying to get the bomb out of the city remind you of the 1960s Batman movie with Adam West where he's carrying that huge bomb with the lit fuse while trying to find where to get rid of it, and he hysterically can't get rid of it because there's either a marching band passing by or ducks in the water, and he says "Somedays you just can't get rid of a bomb!"

Batman Returns is still my absolute favorite Batman film.



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25 Nov 2012, 2:44 pm

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It was a good movie if you ignore the fact that it's a Batman film. What pissed me off about it is it left out a bunch of elements that make Batman movies great, such as the dark overtone, the stealth moves, etc. I don't think Batman even used any of his gadgets in this movie, and most of it took place in the daytime! I would have also liked to have seen the Joker make at least a cameo appearance. In this movie, they act as if he never even existed, but they have no problem bringing The Scarecrow back.

I gotta admit, Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was super hot. I had the hots for her ever since seeing that movie and I thought she was really hot in Alice in Wonderland as the White Queen. However, that was all short-lived as soon as she made a trip to the Les Misreables barber shop.

Plus, is it just me, or did the scene where Batman was trying to get the bomb out of the city remind you of the 1960s Batman movie with Adam West where he's carrying that huge bomb with the lit fuse while trying to find where to get rid of it, and he hysterically can't get rid of it because there's either a marching band passing by or ducks in the water, and he says "Somedays you just can't get rid of a bomb!"

Batman Returns is still my absolute favorite Batman film.


I thought Catwoman was pretty hot also, but let's be honest, she didn't serve much propose in the movie. Batman Returns is the only Batman movie I have to see (unless you count the 1960's Batman movie).



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25 Nov 2012, 9:23 pm

I think that The Dark Knight Rises was a disappointment, but only because it had big shoes to fill. As a film, the only real faults it had was its length and the fairly right-wing slant that it had. It was still an excellent film. Just less so compared to The Dark Knight.

As for Bane, I actually liked his character, and noticed a marked difference between the novelisation's character (presumably written from the screenplay) and what Tom Hardy put on screen. Indeed, Tom Hardy actually gave the character a real boost, changing him from an intelligent but ruthless terrorist to someone who could remain jolly, even at the worst of times. The novelisation had identical words and actions, but Hardy really gave something to the character. Hey, I'm not saying that he's the best Batman villain ever brought to live-action reality. That still goes to Heath Ledger as the Joker. But he does a damn fine job.


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26 Nov 2012, 7:45 am

I wasn't keen on this film at all. It went on for far too long and I just found it boring.



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27 Nov 2012, 8:17 pm

Seen better, but I've also seen worse. The first two movies were better, obviously. Had a big problem with Bane's mask muffling what he said--couldn't catch what he was saying. Hey directors, next time--redub. Removing Batman and sticking him in a prison for a goodly chunk of the movie was also a big mistake. Finally, the last thing that did the movie little good was the massive jump in time between the second and third movies.
Movie had its good points; good action, good villian (as far as I could tell with that muffling mask), and it was cool that they kept the continuity of "Bane breaking the Bat". Ending was sweet, if somewhat out of continuity.

As for the trilogy as a whole, I can't stand camp and therefore love the gritty-crime drama-realism. :batman: Looking forward to Man of Steel coming to theaters next summer!

Sorry for the rambling rant.


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28 Nov 2012, 4:37 am

Quatermass wrote:
I think that The Dark Knight Rises was a disappointment, but only because it had big shoes to fill. As a film, the only real faults it had was its length and the fairly right-wing slant that it had. It was still an excellent film. Just less so compared to The Dark Knight.

As for Bane, I actually liked his character, and noticed a marked difference between the novelisation's character (presumably written from the screenplay) and what Tom Hardy put on screen. Indeed, Tom Hardy actually gave the character a real boost, changing him from an intelligent but ruthless terrorist to someone who could remain jolly, even at the worst of times. The novelisation had identical words and actions, but Hardy really gave something to the character. Hey, I'm not saying that he's the best Batman villain ever brought to live-action reality. That still goes to Heath Ledger as the Joker. But he does a damn fine job.

Couldn't have said it better. I agree with your post. Tom Hardy did a great job by giving the character real life.



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28 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm

I had to think about it for awhile, but I think I have my somewhat cohearant(sp?) answer.

No doubt that the film was an improvement in some places regarding the Batman film catalog, namely Bane and Catwoman. Bane was a HUGE improvement over Batman & Robin and while it's tough to top Michelle Pfiffer's Catwoman from Batman Returns, Anne Hathaway did a great job putting her own spin on the character.

Now for the "fun" stuff...

There were a lot of headscratching story decisions that, while interesting, were nowhere in the league of execution and interest as TDK's story was. I think that was an unwinnable fight though since TDK cast a HUGE shadow of expectations over this film. Easily the biggest problem with the film was the expectations. I'll admit that I had some of my own going in that weren't quite met.

To summerize, good acting with most of the big roles, but a sub-par story with huge expectations weighing things down made a potentially excellent movie into a simply good movie.



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28 Nov 2012, 7:02 pm

I haven´t seen the actual movie, so I cannot judge it. However, even from the trailers I can clearly see that this time, the movie is not for me. Mainly because I find Bane ridiculous and unbelievable (in a movie that pretends to be more psychological, realistic take on a comic book flick), and because I hate hate HATE Selina Kyle in Anne Hathaway´s portrayal. I have seen all the clips with her on the internet, even some clips with Bane, so I can say HONESTLY say that I have seen at least one quarter of that movie. BUt I never liked Anne Hathaway there. I have a huge problem with her in this role, because - on the contrary what is believed - it requires some REAL ACTING ABILITY, not just being in the Catsuit. Michelle Pfeiffer will always be my Catwoman, no matter what!


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29 Nov 2012, 8:31 am

I thought it was good. It was definitely scary to me when Bane broke Batman's back. I nearly was in tears in the theater. I'm very sensitive when the hero of the movie gets hurt. :(


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20 Dec 2012, 2:56 am

Yeah I agree with the OP

I thought it was just a huge, 3hour rehash of BB.



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20 Dec 2012, 4:39 am

SoftKitty wrote:
I haven´t seen the actual movie, so I cannot judge it. However, even from the trailers I can clearly see that this time, the movie is not for me. Mainly because I find Bane ridiculous and unbelievable (in a movie that pretends to be more psychological, realistic take on a comic book flick), and because I hate hate HATE Selina Kyle in Anne Hathaway´s portrayal. I have seen all the clips with her on the internet, even some clips with Bane, so I can say HONESTLY say that I have seen at least one quarter of that movie. BUt I never liked Anne Hathaway there. I have a huge problem with her in this role, because - on the contrary what is believed - it requires some REAL ACTING ABILITY, not just being in the Catsuit. Michelle Pfeiffer will always be my Catwoman, no matter what!


I actually thought Hathaway pulled it off, her incarnation is more closer to the comic version.


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20 Dec 2012, 9:19 am

Quatermass wrote:
I think that The Dark Knight Rises was a disappointment, but only because it had big shoes to fill. As a film, the only real faults it had was its length and the fairly right-wing slant that it had. It was still an excellent film. Just less so compared to The Dark Knight.

As for Bane, I actually liked his character, and noticed a marked difference between the novelisation's character (presumably written from the screenplay) and what Tom Hardy put on screen. Indeed, Tom Hardy actually gave the character a real boost, changing him from an intelligent but ruthless terrorist to someone who could remain jolly, even at the worst of times. The novelisation had identical words and actions, but Hardy really gave something to the character. Hey, I'm not saying that he's the best Batman villain ever brought to live-action reality. That still goes to Heath Ledger as the Joker. But he does a damn fine job.


I've seen the movie twice at the cinema and twice on Bluray now, and I gotta say, I mostly agree with you....

BUT, you're wrong about its politics... The movie is not right wing. It's a cautionary tale for the right about the social responsibilities of the patrician class.


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