Favorite Movie Star Aspies

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Okay, I've calmed down a bit now, so I'll try to be sensible. Who are we to say that someone has X disorder?
I doubt anyone here has a doctorate, and therefore is not qualified to diagnose anyone with an illness.
I know a lot of people see something of themselves in these celebrities and think that they must have aspergers, but Aspies have a very rose-tinted view of this. NTs don't go around diagnosing celebrities with AS, and as such it's a purely Aspie thing, and not reliable.
The internet is NOT a substitute for the years of training required for a doctor to diagnose anyone with a psychological problem. That's why we have professional diagnosis anyway.

I'm sorry for my outburst (I really need to remember to take my antipsychotics ._. ) I'm just sick and tired of people deluding themselves in these threads with false diagnoses.

dan ackroyd

I've heard that before.

Tim

Do you know of any other woman by chance ?

Reese Witherspoon (okay, maybe just wishful thinking...). Have anything to back it up or just a wishful thought that I am reading too much into ?

No, you're not sorry, you're an a***hole. I love the fake apology/say the opposite of the apology maneuver. Classic.

You're backpedaling from a stupid abusive non-argument, and giving us more of the same minus the some of the vitriol. Not so easy to get away with being a dick when you're dealing with people that use their brains, is it?

What you say makes little sense, and the remainder is a dog's breakfast of logical fallacies and passive aggression. You're using shame and ridicule to stop people from using their minds, just like every other smug authoritarian jackass. It doesn't wash with me.

Go away.

Hmm, you're being very reactionary at the moment. I think you're just using my moment of weakness to try and buff yourself up and look superior. I called some people morons in a moment of anger, however you have called me an a***hole, a dick, a smug authoritarian jackass, and 'little man'.

I think you're being more of a troll than I am, sir.

Anyway, if I am an a**hole, then I can take pride in the fact that I'm an articulate a**hole.



you think I'm pretending? that's fine, it doesn't make the fact that I actually was being honest any less true.

you asked me to give my reasons for thinking every celebrity under the sun doesn't have autism. you seem to have forgotten this.



excuse me? you've done nothing but throw insults at me and you haven't given any of your own reason WHY any celebrity should have ASpergers. here, I'll give you a reason why they don't : being a celebrity, a movie star for example, requires a constant flucutations in environment and social surroundings. Autistic people enjoy rigidity and routine in their life, and find change emotionally traumatic. Craig Nicholls was badly affected by the trauma of touring and constant change. most celebrities enbrace and even enjoy this, which is a pretty good indication they don't have Aspergers.
Here's another: Being a celebrity requires a lot of social events. Press junkets, premieres, etc. these require massive social exposure and extroversion. Now, Autism is affects people's ability to function socially, and often makes people reclusive and introverted. they're not going to be able to cope with the mass exposure.
And finally: the Non-autistic people would know if someone was not neurotypical. there are subtle, non-verbal cues to people express , both Aspies and NTs. NTs can tell if someone is 'weird' or 'unusual' through these cues of lack thereof, thats why Aspies are so often spotted and picked on.

how's that? any help?



now that you have accused me of typical trolling technique, It's time to me to return the favor. you make strong statements with out any proper evidence. If my argument has some loophole then please explain it. personally, I think 'they have no signs of AS' is quite a solid argument.



you mean using their minds to accuse people of being something they're not? that strikes me as a little self indulgent.

I think you're being a bit paranoid.

sorry, but can't convince me to leave.

Sorry, I don't diagnose celebrities.

Tim

I see someone has the right idea

First paragraph: You are dead wrong about the nature of working on movies. Actors are on set about 12-20 hours a day, about %80 of that is downtime spent rehearsing lines. Actors must do takes of the same scene over and over again. In fact, if you knew anything about these people or how personalities function, you'd know that most performers are workaholic introverts who have massive social anxiety.

Letterman, Conan O'Brien, Johnny Carson, and Craig Kilborn are notorious for their reclusive private lives, yet they would get up in front of a live audience and millions of people watching at home, each and every night. In the documentary "Comedian", Jerry Seinfeld's ultra-polished stage persona is contrasted against his massive stage fright problems. In fact, most comedians are known for their massive depression problems.

You obviously don't understand how people can have duality in their personalities. You don't seem to care that actors train for many years to be able to assess what motivates a character, to be able to display "natural" body language while on the job.

All entertainers are the outsiders looking in. Ask yourself, "who are the entertainers?" I've noticed that Blacks, Irish and Jews form the bulk of the entertainment industry, be it music, comedy, acting, whatever. The remainder almost always come from broken homes and abusive upbringings.

Second paragraph: These are not social events, that is part of their JOB. An interview on Letterman is pre-scripted, there are cue cards on the desk that both can see which have bullet-form topics in sequence, so everyone knows what's coming up (Dennis Miller is one of the few that doesn't do this). If you see an actor on Letterman, then see them on, say, Leno, you will see that they tell the exact same stories the exact same way, ditto the questions.

A movie premiere involves an entire crew of people fussing over your appearance, dressing you up in the best, most expensive clothes and accessories, getting out of a car and walking into a building, where you will then sit in the dark for an hour and a half. Sure, you have to endure some unpleasant stuff like posing for a few pictures and giving one or two interviews to one or two people on superficial, easily answered topics. Most aspies have to endure much more social stress in their daily lives.

Also, seeing as the social avoidance is mostly a reactive condition, it can be untrained to some degree. Plus, they are in control of the situation.

For everything else in their lives, they have agents, publicists, maids, drivers, gardeners, assistants, secretaries, a virtual army of hired help to get them through the stuff we really find hard. Rocks stars don't approach women on the street and go on dates, they have roadies pick girls out of the audience for them.

Its the IDEAL lifestyle for aspies.



WHAT. IN. THE. HELL. DO. YOU. THINK. WE. HAVE. BEEN. DOING?

You are ignorance is almost terrifying.

Please oh please oh please don't ever think to educate yourself of do any sort of work on self-improvement. Learning is stupid, huh?

The only reason you piped up in the first place was to invalidate the burgeoning social instincts of others on this board.



Reactionary? What are you, Stalin? "Oooh, I was weak, and now you're bullying me! Boo hoo hoo, all I did was unleash a vicious, mean spirited tirade against people who have had to deal with this type of abusive invalidation their entire lives, and the big mean man yellt at me!" Sorry, but you're not going to get away with that around me. I've seen it all, dude. You are a rank amateur.

Yeah, I'm the jerk.

Whatever you do, do not click on this link. It might force you to learn something about this disorder.

One more thing. I've provided a link to John Douglas's site a few posts back. He's the guy that basically invented serial killer profiling. He is not a medical doctor nor a psychiatrist. He is entirely self-taught. For years and years he was the only profiler the FBI had. He got his start on decoding people the same way I did - he was a bouncer.

Now he teaches the doctors.

If it came down to a choice between a random psychiatrist and a random aspie being able to make an accurate diagnosis, my money would be on the random aspie.

The rest of what you wrote is a ridiculous argument from authority, shaming language, invalidation and bullying tactics.

You're right, I can't get you to leave. But I sure can ignore you from now on!
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No, not really. I was trying to think up likely candidates for discussion, and I saw my "Election" DVD on the shelf. She's great in that movie, and she reminded me of a girl I worked with last year almost to a t. This girl was probably aspie, and her younger brother was a full-on autistic. She was an engineer who went through university on scholarships while graduating at the top of her class; she was also a dead ringer for Reese Whitherspoon in terms of looks. We used to hang out" at work, meaning we'd sit together while I did crosswords and she did Sudokus. She lived off of baked potatoes from Wendy's and McDonalds burgers, which she always ordered the same way - bakedpotatobutteronlysourcreamontheside and bugernolettucenoonionwithketchuponly.

There was also the show about her on the Biography channel. She was an A student who put all of herself into her work and play, and there was just something about her parenting style that I really liked. The thing is, she was a rich kid, so she wasn't stuck with crap-ass public schools, and her parents nurtured her unusual interests and abilities which she displayed from a very young age. Basically, I think she's what most of us would be like if we didn't have the reactive social anxiety problems stemming from an abusive childhood.

Be that as it may, I think I'm a little too emotionally invested in this case to be as objective as I would like to be, so that's why I put in the wishful thinking part.

Practice makes perfect, though.

Excuse me, but I have a National diploma in performing arts. I have been in amateur dramatics for years and I have recently starred in a movie as an extra. I think I have a little bit more experience in this field. you say 20 hours a day like it's an easy, simple thing to do. I did a 9am- 2am for a movie, and it was absolute HELL. I wasn't in my comfort zone, I couldn't sit down for 7 hours, I was surrounded by people I didn't know, I was in a loud, noisy environment, there was absolutely none of the reassuring familiarity that I and other aspies crave. Oh, and you rehearse a scene ONCE before it's done on camera, and you have to keep the same emotion and energy for anywhere between 1 and 20 takes. Aspie actors would be far more suited for theatre, I feel.


Have you been to a drama school? Have you worked with Drama school students? I have done the latter for a long time, and I know that 90% of the the people who study professionally are socially extrovert. I know. I had five years experience working with lots of them, and I never met anyone else with Aspergers. Nor did I in college. please do not make gorss generalisations about people you do not know (this is the very thing I had a problem with in the first place)



some autistic people are reclusive, but not all reclusive people are autistic.



ah, but what makes you think they are autistic?


Stage fright is massively common in performers. Depression is common and well documented in comedy. can you show me ten documented cases of actors and comedians with autism? y'see, your argument is based on solicited fact, something someone has stated about themsleves. autism is very different from depression, because depression is a psychological problem and autism is a cognative one, and therefore far easier to spot and more inhibiting.

people have multiple layers to their personalities, I don't deny that, but AS is not a personality disorder, it's a different cognative functioning. you can never be able to hide that forever, and seeing as nobody on any other forum says 'I think Reese Witherspoon has Aspergers' I think Aspies have a very rose tinted view of thier favorite celebrities.



not only do I care, but I have been doing it myself since I was 6. I cannot hide my Autism, even if I act. there is soemthing aobut me that is obviously different, as people have pointed out to me. autistic people are obviously autistic, the onyl way to not be is think like an NT.
think about it, there are plenty of threads in this forum where people have expressed some blindness to social intricacies that NTs know naturally. this mind-blindness is not something you can disguise even if you're Lawrence Olivier. You can't act forever, your facade will crack, it is inevitable.



And Aspies are inside looking out. they can only see the world through a window, they have far more obvious boundries to their ability to do certain things that NTs do naturally. Show me a Hollywood star who has been diagnosed with Aspergers.



rather, you should be asking "what makes an entertainer?"

This is another gross generalisation. In my country this statement is highly inaccurate. I do wish some people didn't think the world=America



last time I checked these were not diagnostic criteria for AS. Only a percentage of people with domestic problems have AS.



erm, yes they are. they involve being around and un-scripted conversing with large numbers of people, ergo, a social event.



*points at the writing under Avatar saying location Surrey, * I don't get cable.

then it's obviously rehearsed for them. over here, as far as I know talk shows are completley unscripted.



gross generalisation Number 3. Have you ever been to a premiere by any chance?



if Autistic people can't pick up on things like flirting, teasing, and other social games, what makes you think they can answer a few questions they're unprepared for without seeming aspie? Anyway, the idea of Aspies acting like NTs is something that Aspies appear to revile, judging by the comments on another thread.



Sorry, but when is an aspie ever in control of a social situation?



they also have to work 12+ hours a day for months on end, are constantly moving from one state/country to another, have one of the most emotionally draining jobs in the world, rarely see their family, move regularly from apartment to apartment, have insane schedules, have to constantly interact with other people, are hounded by the media, have no privacy, run the risk of being dispised by the public or be rideculed in magezines.

I'm an Aspie, and I'm an Actor, but I wouldn't touch that s**t with a barge pole.



sorry, but this is so incredibly shallow and socially inept that I feel only an Aspie could say it



Not asking people with an objective viewpoint for a second opinion?

You are in no way qualified to say who has what disorder. your viewpoint is so subjective and biased that it is jaded. A blind man knows what it's like to be blind, but what makes you think he can diagnose the blindness of others.



oh dear, back to he petty insults. and you were doing so well. *le sigh*

right, and I'm going to do this why? becuase some random person on the internet told me to?



yes, that's why I have a degree n performing arts with top grades, self-taught myself to write a novel and am going to study at a University, because I dislike learning



Sorry to be a party Pooper, but how exactly is throwing around faux-diagnoses that mean nothing burgeoning social instincts? If I said the sky was Red, people would tell me I was wrong and that it was obviously not. This is what I do when people say 'celebrity X clearly has Aspergers'.



congrats, you've invoked godwin's law, further proof that you're just being a troll.



can I jsut point out to you that I jsut called the people in this thread morons, hardly a mortal attack on the fibre of their being, wrong though it was. You, on the other hand have called me an a**hole, a dick, stupid, 'little man', a 'rank amateur' and now, stalinist. who's launching the vicious, mean spirited triade against who, again?

Ah yes, I forgot, you're reusing your old tactic of using my apparent weaknesses to improve your own stature on the board. idiosyncratic much?



I'm not trying to get away with anything, I make an honest apology becuase i happen to have a psychological illness that affects my perception and caused me to act irrationally, and yet you continue to Villify me. why should YOU get away with



Amateur at what exactly?


your words, not mine.

Whatever you do, do not click on this link. It might force you to learn something about this disorder.

Wonderful. you post a link, on a thread where people say their favorite celebrity has Aspergers, to an article that specifically states MISDIAGNOSIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM!

XD



right, so if you had to choose between a health professional with years of training SPECIFICALLY on spotting symptoms and how to evaluate medical conditions, not to mention how to treat those symptoms and improve the overall quality of life of the sick, or an average joe with poor social skills, self-centric and idiosyncratic behavior, you'd think the patient is more qualified than the doctor?
Hmm, right.
by that logic, paranoid schizophrenics should be the most suited people to diagnosing themselves and each other, right?


Ah yes, the oldest troll tactic in the book, writing off every single point and articulation that you either can't argue with or don't understand in a sentense consisting of a few broad umbrella phrases like 'ridiculous' and 'authoritarian' without backing up your statements with why they're ridiculous and authoritarian.

notice how I've gon through everything you've said and posted counterpoints. this is what I feel makes me a debater rather than a troll



good, that means we can both get on with our lives and bury our hatchets.

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I think that's a good place to let this thread die.

Marlon Brando, King of the Aspies

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Genius.

Adding Shannen Doherty to the mix

Why either of the Gyllenhaals? Why Cate Blanchett? Why Kurt Russell?