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13 Apr 2008, 1:54 pm

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I wonder what the change in Sci-fi in the 90s was.


Maybe everyone's trying to be The Matrix... 8O



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13 Apr 2008, 4:21 pm

Nope sorry completely disagree, there have been some good post 90s Science Fiction.

in particular;

Gattaca 1997
City of the Lost Children 1995
Donnie Darko 2001

and also but not so obviously...

12 Monkeys 1995
Children of Men 2006
Delicatessen 1991
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 2004
The Fifth Element 1997
The Iron Giant 1999
Revenge of the Sith 2005
Serenity 2005
Spider-man 2 2004
V for Vendetta 2005
X-Men 2 2003

and... depending on how you feel about them;

AI 2001
Bicentennial Man 1999
Event Horizon 1997
Final Fantasy - The Spirits Within 2000
Galaxy Quest 1999
I Robot 2004
The Jacket 2005
A Scanner Darkly 2006
Solaris (Remake) 2002



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13 Apr 2008, 4:59 pm

That is really interesting because your list on its own made me think, yes, there has been a change of some kind.

gbollard wrote:
some good post 90s Science Fiction.
Gattaca 1997
City of the Lost Children 1995
Donnie Darko 2001

12 Monkeys 1995
Children of Men 2006
Delicatessen 1991
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 2004
The Fifth Element 1997
The Iron Giant 1999
Revenge of the Sith 2005
Serenity 2005
Spider-man 2 2004
V for Vendetta 2005
X-Men 2 2003

AI 2001
Bicentennial Man 1999
Event Horizon 1997
Final Fantasy - The Spirits Within 2000
Galaxy Quest 1999
I Robot 2004
The Jacket 2005
A Scanner Darkly 2006
Solaris (Remake) 2002
I have seen most of them. 17/23

I don't think that Eternal Sunshine is Sci-fi. It wouldn't have occurred to me. It's more like a psychological metaphysical thriller.

I wouldn't have included Delicatessen either. City of Lost Children I accept as Sci-fi fantasy but I loathed it.
Donnie Darko I liked, but forgot, and again didn't remember it as SCi-fi.

I was disappointed by AI, Bicentennial man, and disliked the Soderberg Solaris remake.

Gattaca yes, and Twelve Monkeys yes sort of. Fifth Element ok, and I loved Final Fantasy, quite transparently clearly Sci-fi. :D

And there are obviously quite a few other Sci-fi and/or fantasy films, some of which I liked, like War of the Worlds . But I think that there has been a change; in my case I experience this change as my apparently not even recognising or acknowledging certain films as sci-fi despite certain elements.

Maybe it's that Sci-fi is getting "messier" as a genre. I still prefer sci fi stories written in the golden age, even the earlier-mid period short stories of Philip K Dick. And I suppose I like Sci-fi films to be tidily cleanly "that". Not strange hybrids of other genres.

But maybe we have been seeing a breakdown of the genres created only 100 years ago. Maybe the elements are reintegrating themselves. That would be a very hopeful/positive sign, as I believe that they arose in response to the cult of normalising and measuring and dividing which began in the 19 th century. :)

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13 Apr 2008, 9:51 pm

The blending of Genres is fairly recent, but not as recent as you'd think.

Alien is probably the best blending of Horror/Science Fiction that I can think of, though things like the Omega Man may also qualify (and it's 8 years older).

I think the blending is far more widespread now though. The "old" science fiction was about;

1. Mad Scientists, Robots, Aliens Planets and Spaceships
2. Time Travel (infrequently)
3. Superheroes (I never figured out why they fit into science fiction).

These days, there's a lot more metaphysics, and a lot more blending going on.

eg:
- Kate and Leopold is about Time Travel (Sci Fi or Romantic Comedy?)
- Butterfly Effect is about Time Travel (Sci Fi or Horror)
- Pitch Black is about Planets and Aliens (Sci Fi or Action?)
- What genre are the Jurassic Park Films?
- What about The Hollow Man?
- Austin Powers?



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15 Apr 2008, 5:59 pm

Just watched The Jacket, which was one of the ones I hadn't seen, and thought it was pretty good, but yes, another film that I probably wouldn't have remembered as Sci-fi if it weren't for this thread.

In fact I only got it out because it was on your list, and was pleasantly surprised to find an almost invisibly billed Jennifer Jason Leigh in it. It was great to see her.

Not sure if the premise or the message or the "mechanism" is really Sci-fi, though. :? :?: In what way can it be seen as sci-fi?

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15 Apr 2008, 9:18 pm

Yes! I love horror and sci-fi/fantasy!

Some of my favourites are

LOTR Trilogy
Harry Potter
Star Wars Trilogy + SW Prequel Trilogy (1-3)
Zathura
Sweeney Todd, Demon Barber of fleet street
War of the worlds..
Alien
Saw 1, 2, 3 and 4
Final Fantasy 1,2, and 3
The Descent (british horror movie, really awesome)


and more, but I can't think of them rite now!



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15 Apr 2008, 11:02 pm

The Jacket covers time travel which is generally considered to be a science fiction concept, much the same as space travel is.

If the setting were unimportant in the categorization of the genre, there'd be a lot less science fiction movies about.

The Jacket is one of the great examples of the recent genre "blending" that is occurring.



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16 Apr 2008, 4:25 am

gbollard wrote:
The blending of Genres is fairly recent, but not as recent as you'd think.


"Frankenstein" was Sci-fi / Horror.

Genre is really essentially something for easy marketing rather than an inherent, defining feature of any story. The lines have always been blurred, if you think about it, and the whole question of "is this sci fi or fantasy, or is it horror, drama, comedy, something else entirely?" is often not entirely answerable.


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16 Apr 2008, 11:43 am

I've only really got into horror recently, but here are my faves so far:

The Devils Rejects - Wasn't a fan of House of 1000 corpses, but loved this one. Done from the point of view of the fleeing murderers :D
Stephen King's Rose Red - My favourite haunted house movie/mini-series.
Evil Dead 2: Dead by Dawn - Started a zombie movie craze in my flat :P
The Zombie Diaries, Night of the Living Dead (original) - a result of the zombie movie craze
John Carpenter's The Thing - Great atmosphere, great movie
From Dusk Til Dawn - Just a really cool film :)



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16 Apr 2008, 4:28 pm

ping-machine wrote:
"Frankenstein" was Sci-fi / Horror.


Good point, though I think it was simply classified as "Horror" in those days.

Genre is very much a label (like aspie :) ) . it doesn't mean that it has to satisfy ALL of the criteria and it doesn't mean that there can't be other things mixed up in there too.



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17 Apr 2008, 1:05 pm

Don't think anyone mentioned "The Prince of Darkness" by Carpenter..


Well, I've been away for quite some time now but, in regards to your reply as well as everyone else on this topic may I say, Thanks for all the great remarks.. I've seen atleast 400 movies within all 3 genres listed in the subject topic from various mediums whether it be tv,theatre,dvd,vhs tapes therefore, I enjoy films in the general sense regardless.. I don't have the time to do a more comprehensive update to this topic at the moment but, I shall within this week though...

Thanks Everyone,
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17 Apr 2008, 4:31 pm

If anyone has a facebook account, I found a cool app called MovieClique - I think it's put out by blockbuster...

anyway, it lets you rate movies, add reviews etc and adds them to your profile.

If you've got friends on facebook, it will also show you how they rated particular movies.



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17 Apr 2008, 7:12 pm

I'm a huge Harry Potter fanatic.The book even more than the films. I didn't know what to do with my self after finishing the final book.

I also like Star Wars quite a bit.



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17 Apr 2008, 11:10 pm

1408
Aeon Flux
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien resurrection
Alien vs predator
Aliens vs Predator
Army of darkness
Back to the future
Back to the future 2
Back to the future 3
Batman
Batman returns
Batman begins
Bill and Ted
Bill and Ted 2
Bride of chucky
Carrie
Candyman
child's play
child's play 2
child's play 3
children of the corn
Children of men
Chronicles of Riddick
Creepshow
Creepshow 2
Cujo
D wars
Donnie darko
Elektra
Edward scissorhands
Evil dead
Evil dead 2
Final destination
Final destination 2
Final destination 3
Ginger snaps
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Hearts in Atlantis
Hell raiser
Highlander
Highlander 2
Highlander 3
In the Mouth of Madness
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
Lord of the rings
Lord of the rings 2
Lord of the rings 3
Lost boys
Matrix
Matrix 2
Matrix 3
Neverending story
neverending story 2
Neverending story 3
Nightmare on elm street
Nightmare on elm street 2
Nightmare on elm street 3
Nightmare on elm street 4
Nightmare on elm street 5
Nightmare on elm street 6
Nightmare on elm street 7
Omen
Omen 2
Omen 3
omen 4 (rare tv film)
Pet sematary
Pitch Black
Planet of the apes
Poltergeist
Poltergeist 2
Poltergeist 3
Predator
Predator 2
Serenity
Sleepwalkers
Stargate
Stargate: The ark of truth
Starman
night of the living dead
Terror planet
The dead zone
The green mile
The island
The lawnmower man
The mist
The prince of darkness
The rage
The shining
The thing
The time machine
They live
Transformers
Tremors
Tremors 2
Tremors 3
Tremors 4
Underworld
Underworld 2
x men
x men 2
x men 3

Theres tons more that i haven't listed either :S



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19 Apr 2008, 5:09 am

I love horror movies, at the moment im into eighties video nasties XD like
Cannibal Holocaust
Evil Dead
Braindead
Zombie Flesh Eaters
Last House On The Left
I spit on your grave.

They are pretty sick, but also fun to watch. I love B-Movies.



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21 Apr 2008, 3:31 pm

Merely leaving this brief message to say in regards to all movie genres in general I'd recommend using IMDB-Internet Movie Data Base which, has a ever growing list of films from all over the entire world and in fact, I once used to gather all the information regarding a once massive list of horror films by searching the database.Anyways, this is one place where you can find a great deal of information regarding films of all sorts..


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