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22 Apr 2014, 11:22 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
I haven't. I haven't watched any new Disney Movies for years except for Toy Story 3. Everyone seems to either love Frozen or utterly hate it, and of course they hate anyone who does likes it, so I won't know unless I see it myself if it's any good. I heard it negatively stereotypes men as all being sexist pigs or something, but on the other hand the female characters aren't the typical damsels in distress who always need to be rescued by the hero. And then there was that "honest trailer" I saw on YouTube. I read on Wiki that Walt Disney was planning to make a movie like this a long time ago, which is cool. But it's based on the story of The Snow Queen and they probably didn't give it that title because boys won't want to watch it, which is the same reason Repunzel was renamed "Tangled". Wow boys are more homophobic than ever, imagine if Disney came out with Snow White or Cinderella in this day, they'd probably rename them "Apple" and "Midnight" or some other vague unisex nonsense. :roll:


Yes, you're mostly right. Disney did indeed get scared with "Rapunzel" not reaping in the money it cost (Disney's second in-house attempt at a 3D movie, no Pixar at all) and renamed it Tangled very late in (though, if they're aiming a movie at girls anyway, why would they care what boys think? Hasn't stopped them with the Tinkerbell DTV movies or Sofia the First...)

And bearing in mind this is Hollywood we're talking about where to producers and executives, demographics are still nearly categorised in neat little boxes (Disney XD still being marketed here as a channel for boys only, and CN thinking that girls can't ever like superhero shows despite what happened with Young Justice proving the contrary!), Frozen is only very very loosely based on The Snow Queen and one-word titles are the trend-of-the-moment anyway.

I just wish Disney had marketed it better - for all intents and purposes, the teaser trailers made Frozen look more like a Dreamworks-style buddy movie about that stupid snowman and his pet elk. I'd've laughed if that manovuer actually did lead to Disney having another "Home on the Range." on its hands. But word-of-mouth won out and Frozen became the fastest grossing movie yet for a multitude of reasons.

Anyway, as you said, you can make your mind up on your own as to whether you find it's a good movie or not. I'm waiting till it comes on TV in two years' time. I don't hate it by the way, nor do I think badly of anyone who loves Frozen. I'd just rather see it for myself than get caught up in the hype.



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23 Apr 2014, 11:57 am

I think it's an okay movie. I respect it. I do not think it is the work of God or whatever like so many other people seem to.

Everyone seems to get super excited about it and think it's amazing sheerly for the part where 'true love' ended up being sisterly love and not romantic love. And yet they don't seem to realize that that's not the only movie to ever have anything like that; it's just pretty much the only Disney one. The plot was sloppy and there were a lot of little holes. "Let It Go" was a good song but does not deserve to be considered a 'new Disney classic' like some people seem to be considering it. Honestly I consider Tangled to be a better film; that one's not anything super special either, but it deserves attention more than Frozen, because despite the fact it sort of followed the same formula of a romance that most other Disney movies follow, it broke a lot of stereotypes without there being a very obvious effort to specifically be breaking stereotypes like in Frozen. Rapunzel and Flynn were shown as complete equals, and especially Flynn showed that people don't have to be perfect to be good people, and that there's more to them than you may see. Kristoff didn't achieve this at a level anywhere close to Flynn. Hans was nothing more than a stupid callback to the overused classic villain that pretends to be a friend then stabs you in the back randomly yada yada doesn't have a soul etc. Mother Gothel on the other hand was never hidden to be a villain - and at the same time, she was less of a villain than Hans, because there appeared to be more to her than just evil intentions. I find it incredibly obvious that there was a certain extent of affection towards Rapunzel from her - and of course for her to be the villain, her own selfish intentions overrode those in a heartbeat, but they were still there.

Look at it this way.
Hans = power-hungry sociopath
Gothel = slightly twisted woman with an intense fear of aging and death

And on top of that, I would like to point out a few more things. Tangled did not have the typical 'everything's perfect and they live happily ever after' ending of every other Disney movie - they did indeed live happily ever after (they said it themselves at the end of the movie in those exact words), but things weren't completely perfect in the end, because Rapunzel's magical hair - a large part of the movie's premise - was cut off to end everything. Something was lost when all was over and done, but they still were able to be happy - which I think is a perfect ending for anything, because things rarely end completely perfectly with everyone happy. Meanwhile in Frozen - they unfreeze the kingdom, Anna is saved, Elsa learns to control her powers and comes to terms with them, Kristoff and Anna get together, Kristoff gets his new sled, Olaf gets to experience summer and live, heck, even Olaf and Sven end up getting along at the end of it.

Also keeping in mind that Tangled was able to be funny through the various quirks of each character, especially Flynn, while at least half of the humor in Frozen came from Olaf alone - a character obviously put in specifically for comic relief who has very little value to the plot.

Also another thing I'd like to point out:

Elsa: You can't marry someone you just met.
Anna: But I love [Hans]!
Kristoff: Seriously Anna you can't marry someone you just met.
Anna: I guess you're right.
Anna: . . .
Anna: Okay Kristoff I've known you for a full day now, let's get married.

Please note that I don't consider Tangled to be the best movie in the world, either - but I do consider it to be much better and more deserving of praise than Frozen.



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26 Apr 2014, 9:06 pm

Watching Frozen has made me sadly realized how much I've outgrown Disney.

I thought it wasn't bad...better than Tangled...but quite over-hyped.

I liked the story but I felt there were too many plot holes and confusing aspects with others felt beaten over the audiences' heads and the songs were just...weird.

But like the majority I do think Elsa was the best part of the entire movie. I'm amazed it made as much money as it did considering the trailer and poster were the stupidest most confusing promotions ever done for a movie.



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27 Apr 2014, 5:30 pm

All I know is that someone took the video/song "Let It Go" and did a parody of it for school finals called "F*** It All."

I laughed my ass off.



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01 May 2014, 2:10 pm

Just saw it last night, and I think it's superb. Listening to Let It Go right now! :D



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03 May 2014, 7:34 pm

I loved it, especially since it turned the usually Disney story on its head, and the songs. :)