Audiences too sensitive when it comes to sexual aggression?

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16 Jun 2019, 3:45 am

This is a good video on a similar subject.



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16 Jun 2019, 3:55 am

Oh okay, so when my gf says she is turned on by older movies when the guy is forceful, is this healthy of her then, or does she have issues likely?



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16 Jun 2019, 10:36 am

ironpony wrote:
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There are a lot of people who have a problem with bond, nowadays bond would immediately be sent to jail.


But the women in Bond are always turned on by it, so would they send him to jail if they have no complaints and want to be with him though? They react positively to it, so why is it so bad, if they react positively to it?


They're not real people.

Your girl friend opinion is in the minority.

We've already explained why it's bad. That's not how to treat women. We want to be loved and respected not treated like property and be forced to do things .


Oh okay I guess my gf is in the minority then...

What people like in movies and what they like in real life are often two different things.

What goes on in movies are fantasies

The popularity of those scenes in movies is suggestive that more people are or were into BDSM fantasy's then care to admit it.

There is always the problem of people acting acting out on what they see in the media and people getting hurt and killed. There are more misogynistic triggers today because of more and easier access but all too common misogynistic violence predates movies.

Today we are more want to not do, say or publish things out of fear of people acting out
fantasy’s or people being offended. Why is it ok to deny good people entertainment because of a minority of bad people?

It is not good for the bottom line to put out material that offends most people. But that begs the question are people really that radically different in what entertains them then 50 years ago or even 20 years ago? I would doubt it. The older movies are often shown on cable, are easily available on streaming services so there must be a considerable audience for them despite all the virtue signaling people do in public. Will there really be little audience for them once the old people die off? I don’t know but I think there still will be a considerable audience although it will probably become uncouth to say you like them in public.

I do not know if you and your girlfriend are in the minority or not but since there is no sign that this material is going to become unavailable any time soon I don’t see much of a problem. As long as it is consensual and nobody gets hurt there is no problem treating her like that in your residence.


As for me I was never turned on by slapping scenes or worse but with a few exceptions (Blue Velvet) I was not and am not disturbed by them. Decades before #metoo I had no desire to treat people that way and understand outside of consent it was the wrong thing to do.


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16 Jun 2019, 2:03 pm

Your gf might be into that way of acting but a lot of people aren't. Going back to those days would be an awful thing. Everyone has their own fantasies that they want to play out. As long as it's consensual you could do most things to her but that doesn't mean anything for another female. Play act what you two agree upon but going to back to the days where men could grope a nonconsensually without repercussion, no thank you.


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16 Jun 2019, 2:08 pm

Older movies depicting such scenes are, largely, depicting male fantasies since Hollywood was very male-centric back then (not many female writers, directors, producers, etc.).

Such scenes may appeal to some women but, certainly, not the majority. Those scenes could trigger some who have been a victim of some form of abuse or domestic violence, so overall, it’s best to avoid this stuff entirely, for the greater good.


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16 Jun 2019, 2:20 pm

When I hear the word “prudish”, I think of the type that Ned Flanders and Mike Pence want—no sex at all, or not outside of marriage, no non-missionary positions, and spouses sleep in separate beds.

Prudishness is associated with the religious right, not SJWs


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16 Jun 2019, 2:22 pm

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When I hear the word “prudish”, I think of the type that Ned Flanders and Mike Pence want—no sex at all, or not outside of marriage, no non-missionary positions, and spouses sleep in separate beds.


Me too, especially the Ned Flanders part!

There’s plenty of erotic love scenes in movies. Just because it isn’t aggressive doesn’t make it “prudish.”


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16 Jun 2019, 2:24 pm

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, so when my gf says she is turned on by older movies when the guy is forceful, is this healthy of her then, or does she have issues likely?


We can't answer that question. I don't think personally that it means there's something wrong with her. As I said before, I think it's the confidence that is appealing rather than the forcefulness.

In Thunderball I don't like how he kisses the nurse and she obviously doesn't want it. That's about him taking what he wants without any regard for what she wants.

But, the idea of being swooped up by someone in their arms when you want to be is appealing. I think you've got to have good communication for that sort of thing, a good understanding of each other already. It's the thought of being so irresistable that they just want to scoop you up and kiss you that's appealing. Not the being forced into it.

I don't see any BDSM influence here (Like I would know it if I saw it lol) I don't think your girlfriend is into that based on liking a movie scene.



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16 Jun 2019, 2:45 pm

FYI ‘James Bond 25’ is filming now so Hollywood thinks there still is an audience for a chauvinistic character. We will see how this is accepted in the #MeToo era.


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16 Jun 2019, 4:01 pm

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When I hear the word “prudish”, I think of the type that Ned Flanders and Mike Pence want—no sex at all, or not outside of marriage, no non-missionary positions, and spouses sleep in separate beds.


Me too, especially the Ned Flanders part!

There’s plenty of erotic love scenes in movies. Just because it isn’t aggressive doesn’t make it “prudish.”


Time to binge watch The Brown Bunny, 9 Songs, Ken Park and every movie Russ Meyer ever made.


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16 Jun 2019, 4:04 pm

Ned Flanders!

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"Flanders tried to wreck my song, his views on birth control are wrong! I'd like to see his house go up in flames!" :evil:


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16 Jun 2019, 4:07 pm

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FYI ‘James Bond 25’ is filming now so Hollywood thinks there still is an audience for a chauvinistic character. We will see how this is accepted in the #MeToo era.


I’ve always detested James Bond movies, so I’m not gonna see it!


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16 Jun 2019, 4:12 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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FYI ‘James Bond 25’ is filming now so Hollywood thinks there still is an audience for a chauvinistic character. We will see how this is accepted in the #MeToo era.


I’ve always detested James Bond movies, so I’m not gonna see it!


I hate those movies too. Not just because of the way he treats women, but because of his ability to kill without remourse.

They always show him killing the 'bad guys' but I get the feeling he's the type who would murder innocent bystanders if he had to in order to accomplish his mission and not think anything of it.

He's a disturbing character in my opinion. Like many action movie heroes who do nothing but kill for fun and toy with women like objects. :|


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16 Jun 2019, 4:14 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
FYI ‘James Bond 25’ is filming now so Hollywood thinks there still is an audience for a chauvinistic character. We will see how this is accepted in the #MeToo era.


I thunk he's been toned down a bit though.



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16 Jun 2019, 4:49 pm

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, so when my gf says she is turned on by older movies when the guy is forceful, is this healthy of her then, or does she have issues likely?


Well I kind of think being turned on by something in a movie, isn't the same as actually being turned on by it in real life. I mean even people who are into acting out rape fantasies(I mean IDK what else you would call it)...have their safe word or whatever if they want to stop the role play. So they certainly would not be turned on by being forced into sex or being assualted IRL but in a safe role play fantasy they might be into that. So based on that I would say she probably does not have issues.


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16 Jun 2019, 4:55 pm

hurtloam wrote:
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FYI ‘James Bond 25’ is filming now so Hollywood thinks there still is an audience for a chauvinistic character. We will see how this is accepted in the #MeToo era.


I thunk he's been toned down a bit though.


Well its pretty common with newer sort of remakes of older movies, they tend to modernize things a bit in order to reach the modern audience.


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