Is it true that SJW movies only exist because of Trump?

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19 Oct 2020, 8:27 am

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SJW movies have existed long before Trump took office. You may notice feminism in some films back in the 1990s.

I don't see how any of this is political.

‘9 to 5’ from 1980 was a feminist movie under the guise of a comedy. “The Great Dictator” was a 1940 political statement under the guise of a comedy. What is recent in the US is the woke notion that EVERY movie HAS TO push the agenda. The result and what I believe the OP is complaining about is that it takes away from the quality of the movie when agenda pushing is forced into scenes where it does not belong.


Jurassic Park also had feminism in it. Ellie Sattler was considered a feminist character because she was a tomboy and didn't act like a typical woman. Steven Spielberg made it that way when he redid the script for the film. That film was considered to be ahead of its time. But I don't ever remember reading how people complained about that movie because Ellie wasn't lady like enough. Today, I would see these right wing SJWs moaning about it if such film were made today. But she was a blonde haired blue eyed white woman. :lol:

Hey Arnold also had homosexuality in it but is was guised. I am also noticing the transphobia in the old films. Men dressing as women was always portrayed as men being women.

I also remember the film Bruno with Alex D Linz and he liked to wear dresses in the film and dress up as a girl. Now I wonder if he was trans but it was never mentioned. He said he wore them to express himself.

Disney did a episode in one of their series and they had a robot character who was gender neutral and wouldn't tell anyone if they were a boy or a girl because it was "none of your business." I can't remember what TV show that was.

Rugrats had mix race couple in it, Charles Finster marries Kara who was Japanese and she and her daughter both move to the US from Paris to live together.

So I would say around the year 2000, films and TV shows were starting to get more obvious what they were doing than being guised about it and subtle. But even back then I do not remember people complaining about it till the last few years as if this wasn't already being done long before Trump.

I disagree there is an agenda going on here because it was already been happening for a while.

“Tootsie” a 1982 romantic comedy had as central to the movie Dustin Hoffman dressing as a women. It was nominated for academy awards, it did very well at the box office. “I Was A Male War Bride” a 1949 rom com had Cary Grant cross dressing. I doubt those movies would be made today, they would be considered both transphobic and cultural appropriation today.


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19 Oct 2020, 12:24 pm

Tootsie probably played a role in demystifying cross-dressing and alternative lifestyles.

Flip Wilson used to cross-dress on his show in the 70s.

And don’t forget Uncle Miltie back during early television. As performed by Mr. Television himself, Milton Berle.



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19 Oct 2020, 3:56 pm

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I know you’re kidding lol

I have to learn to take jokes better.

In all seriousness, there’s NOTHING sexual about Bert and Ernie. If there was, it would be really sick.


I'm not really kidding although it's a silly enough topic I'm not dead serious either.

There's nothing sexual but that doesn't mean that there's nothing romantic. If the people who developed the characters said they're a couple, they're a couple. End of discussion. No fan's head canon can trump a direct quote from the writer for the character. Even Frank Oz can't trump the writer.


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19 Oct 2020, 6:48 pm

Gay duos :

Batman Robin
Mickey Goofy
Bert Ernie
Balki Larry (the fact they had drop dead gorgeous flight attendance women doesnt matter , people still think theyre gay)
Nick Mike from Deer Hunter

:roll: :lol:



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19 Oct 2020, 6:56 pm

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Gay duos :

Batman Robin
Mickey Goofy
Bert Ernie
Balki Larry (the fact they had drop dead gorgeous flight attendance women doesnt matter , people still think theyre gay)
Nick Mike from Deer Hunter

:roll: :lol:


In the case with Larry and Balki, it would also be incest.


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19 Oct 2020, 7:26 pm

I think that it is a good idea to create a distinction between sexuality and sexual. A kid can be gay, just as a kid can be straight, like a little boy having a crush on a girl. Granted, I am not too aware of Sesame Street having too many even crushes mentioned within its context, it has been a long time since I have watched any. But the Muppets in general have Miss Piggy always being into Kermit, a straight relationship should not be treated different from a gay relationship, but if anything the relationship of Miss Piggy and Kermit I think has more problems than a gay relationship that is more healthy.

But switching gears a bit, as part of the anime watching community there is a lot people in the West her tend to think that anime is entirely apolitical, and get angry when people read certain politics into them, or an issue that looks political to them pops up. Which is ridiculous as there is so much politics in anime in general. There was this rather interesting anime from a while back called Stars Align which touches on a number of political topics that can be familiar to the West, and rather surprised the director in response. Because rather than politics itself being a somewhat odd thing in media, it is how the West reacts to it.

I also thought this recent video by Council of Geeks was rather interesting.


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21 Oct 2020, 7:42 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
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SJW movies have existed long before Trump took office. You may notice feminism in some films back in the 1990s.

I don't see how any of this is political.

‘9 to 5’ from 1980 was a feminist movie under the guise of a comedy. “The Great Dictator” was a 1940 political statement under the guise of a comedy. What is recent in the US is the woke notion that EVERY movie HAS TO push the agenda. The result and what I believe the OP is complaining about is that it takes away from the quality of the movie when agenda pushing is forced into scenes where it does not belong.


Jurassic Park also had feminism in it. Ellie Sattler was considered a feminist character because she was a tomboy and didn't act like a typical woman. Steven Spielberg made it that way when he redid the script for the film. That film was considered to be ahead of its time. But I don't ever remember reading how people complained about that movie because Ellie wasn't lady like enough. Today, I would see these right wing SJWs moaning about it if such film were made today. But she was a blonde haired blue eyed white woman. :lol:

Hey Arnold also had homosexuality in it but is was guised. I am also noticing the transphobia in the old films. Men dressing as women was always portrayed as men being women.

I also remember the film Bruno with Alex D Linz and he liked to wear dresses in the film and dress up as a girl. Now I wonder if he was trans but it was never mentioned. He said he wore them to express himself.

Disney did a episode in one of their series and they had a robot character who was gender neutral and wouldn't tell anyone if they were a boy or a girl because it was "none of your business." I can't remember what TV show that was.

Rugrats had mix race couple in it, Charles Finster marries Kara who was Japanese and she and her daughter both move to the US from Paris to live together.

So I would say around the year 2000, films and TV shows were starting to get more obvious what they were doing than being guised about it and subtle. But even back then I do not remember people complaining about it till the last few years as if this wasn't already being done long before Trump.

I disagree there is an agenda going on here because it was already been happening for a while.

“Tootsie” a 1982 romantic comedy had as central to the movie Dustin Hoffman dressing as a women. It was nominated for academy awards, it did very well at the box office. “I Was A Male War Bride” a 1949 rom com had Cary Grant cross dressing. I doubt those movies would be made today, they would be considered both transphobic and cultural appropriation today.


I don't see how Tootsie could come off as transphobic if it were made today, unless people would just be reading way too much into it today? Or how would it be?



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21 Oct 2020, 8:31 pm

Meh, I don't care what kind of political message a movie tries to force feed me anymore. I either like a movie or I don't like it, and frankly I think the new movies are terrible. Hollywood sucks now.



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21 Oct 2020, 10:54 pm

Well a lot of people always complain about how movies cannot show or portray things like they use to out of fear of being politically incorrect. But, foreign films are a lot less PC than Hollywood movies, so how come people just don't turn to non-American movies?

My friends talk about how Hollywood keeps pumping out crap and there is nothing good anymore, but why do they keep looking in the garbage can and nowhere else?



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22 Oct 2020, 10:51 am

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Well a lot of people always complain about how movies cannot show or portray things like they use to out of fear of being politically incorrect. But, foreign films are a lot less PC than Hollywood movies, so how come people just don't turn to non-American movies?

My friends talk about how Hollywood keeps pumping out crap and there is nothing good anymore, but why do they keep looking in the garbage can and nowhere else?


I'm not sure to be honest, maybe it's partly because most movies in this country come from Hollywood?



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22 Oct 2020, 6:05 pm

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Well a lot of people always complain about how movies cannot show or portray things like they use to out of fear of being politically incorrect. But, foreign films are a lot less PC than Hollywood movies, so how come people just don't turn to non-American movies?


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I think that you will find that it is often different kinds of politics involved. At best you are just looking at a difference between big studio movies and more indie movies, where a big studio movie being more expensive is more likely to consider not to do anything that would be politically incorrect. But considering that such an example as like Disney wants to also be politically correct with markets like China, it has meant nothing LGBT. It is not politically correct to have anything LGBT in China, and for the longest time that has also been somewhat true for the West, and that is a fine example that political correctness does not start and stop at the Left. The Right have a whole lot of political correctness that finds its ways into big movies, such as blind patriotism in war movies and that things cannot be too sexual.

There was video that I was watching recently that talked about the movie grading system in America, where apparently it is made up of a lot of a certain kind of people. This video talked about a certain double standard where an implication of a woman receiving oral sex was considered more extreme (or politically incorrect) than a man receiving it, bumping a movie up the rating. Where it being seen by the right as less politically correct for a woman to be in charge of her sexuality than a man.

Political correctness can exist on both sides for movies, people just tend to not see the on coming from their side.


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22 Oct 2020, 6:57 pm

Oh okay, what do you mean they tend not to see the oncoming from their side?

Also, I find it that Hollywood wanting to take less risks, is ironic, because if a Disney doesn't do well, because it was too politically risque for example, they still are disney and still have a lot of money in the end left over, where as indie film companies have a lot more to loose. So I find it ironic that Hollywood does not want to take risks near as much, when they have more money left at the end.



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22 Oct 2020, 6:59 pm

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Well a lot of people always complain about how movies cannot show or portray things like they use to out of fear of being politically incorrect. But, foreign films are a lot less PC than Hollywood movies, so how come people just don't turn to non-American movies?

My friends talk about how Hollywood keeps pumping out crap and there is nothing good anymore, but why do they keep looking in the garbage can and nowhere else?


I'm not sure to be honest, maybe it's partly because most movies in this country come from Hollywood?


Yeah but in a world of streaming, you can see movies from all over the world easily. It's not like you have to order DVDs that have to be shipped across the sea near as much anymore. It's all in cyberspace. So why do so many Americans limit themselves to American movies only, and complain about how they hate how American movie suck?

That's like eating at Arby's all the time, and complaining about how much Arby's sucks, if that makes sense...



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ironpony wrote:
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Well a lot of people always complain about how movies cannot show or portray things like they use to out of fear of being politically incorrect. But, foreign films are a lot less PC than Hollywood movies, so how come people just don't turn to non-American movies?

My friends talk about how Hollywood keeps pumping out crap and there is nothing good anymore, but why do they keep looking in the garbage can and nowhere else?


I'm not sure to be honest, maybe it's partly because most movies in this country come from Hollywood?


Yeah but in a world of streaming, you can see movies from all over the world easily. It's not like you have to order DVDs that have to be shipped across the sea near as much anymore. It's all in cyberspace. So why do so many Americans limit themselves to American movies only, and complain about how they hate how American movie suck?

That's like eating at Arby's all the time, and complaining about how much Arby's sucks, if that makes sense...


I think it makes sense to look at Hollywood studios as corporations needing to meet their bottom line instead of manufacturers of entertainment for art’s sake. From that lens, film choices in Hollywood make a ton of sense. As the country wises up to past mistakes and more progressive sentiments become more mainstream, Hollywood films have to adapt or die. Like they wouldn’t make a film today with anti-miscegenation messages because that is wildly outdated in most parts of the country.

Also, like it or not, Black Americans make up a very large proportion of the movie-going public, and losing that revenue stream, even if you’re a dyed-in-the-wool racist piece of garbage, would be a bad move for the sustainability of your film studio.

Re: why Americans don’t watch anything but American movies, it’s probably because most Americans only speak one language, hate reading subtitles, and aren’t accustomed to hearing non-American-English accents, so they can’t understand it, and once again don’t want to read subtitles.



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23 Oct 2020, 9:29 am

Oh okay, but are you saying that Hollywood is trying to adapt? Because so many people complain about how Hollywood movies suck now, so isn't that a sign that Hollywood does not want to adapt and seems to be getting worse?



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23 Oct 2020, 9:40 am

Just as a faction of the Christian church is turning away in rebellion from traditional "Evangelism" (i.e., classism, racism, sexism, et cetera), so too is there a faction of the "Hollywood Elite" that is turning away in rebellion from both the traditional white male orientation in casting AND the rampant Disneyfication of content, and toward a greater focus on character development, character-driven plots, and diversification of characters, as well.

Sadly, both "Woke" factions represent only a small minority for their larger groups.  This is changing ... slowly ... but it is still changing ... (for the better, I hope) ...


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