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01 Aug 2010, 4:27 pm

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I can talk because I watched the girtty cartoons. Its not about what batman is suppoused to about its making a good movie that is interesting and entertaining to watch that matter. :roll:


I am done with this thread and talking to you. You need to stop talking out your *** and if I remain in this thread I am going to end up blatantly insulting you so later.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:29 pm

no, TAS isn't the only batman in the world KID!! !! ! the comics are what made TAS. it IS what batman is about NOT for the entertainment factor. and the burton films aren't funny at all. read the comics, you might like them. until then, stop talking.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:32 pm

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KaiG wrote:
Tim Burton's Batman movies were nothing like Batman is meant to be, though. I normally like Tim Burton, but the guy definately wasn't striving for fidelity to the source material. Batman is not meant to be funny!

I don't think that Burton's Batman films are funny at all. I think that "Batman Returns" in particular is a profundly moving tragic story.

I wonder whether the people who prefer Nolan's version do so precisely because it "ignores" the comic book "frame", and as such perhaps replicates their experience of the stories, the degree to which they "forgot about" the medium while reading, whereas the few that I have read I remained constantly aware of the medium/the "form" in which they came, as I do with Tintin too! :)
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I can talk because I watched the girtty cartoons. Its not about what batman is suppoused to about its making a good movie that is interesting and entertaining to watch that matter.


And yes, I think that part of Batman's original success may have had a lot to do with the combination of the comic book and the story; what in a "serious" book/novel form would have looked like pretentious dreary cliched "drama" was given energy and life by its setting in the comics, their ephemerality.

And Nolan has, IMO, made the mistake of trying to tell the story as if it can be separated from its medium and still stand up as "great", whereas it was always melodramatic, overdone, etc, just saved by the "camp" of the comic book setting ( which Burton replaced with his visuals and excess ).

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01 Aug 2010, 4:34 pm

So what do you think Nolan could do to make his batman films better?



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01 Aug 2010, 4:35 pm

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So what do you think Nolan could do to make his batman films better?

Restore the "frame"! :lol Show us that it is "just" a story! Remind us of the medium.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:35 pm

@ounion: i don't like the burton films because IMO they don't age well. they also are really weird, and are too Burtonized. also they have a lot more flaws than the Nolan films.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:44 pm

What do you mean restore the frame? Care to be more specific?



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01 Aug 2010, 4:52 pm

I think she means that fans of the Nolans take Batman comics too seriously and forget it is not real and see it as real. Wheras people who prefer Burton see the unreality more. You have good taste Jamesy. The cartoon is the best version of Batman ever. in my opinion the comics were good late 70s - late 80s.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:59 pm

Mutate I don't like Nolans adaption of batman. Would you agree?

I would really like to see Robin Willimas playing the Riddler in Batman 3? He is such a good actor and would lighten the film for sure. Johnny Depp playing the ridler though? hmmm?



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01 Aug 2010, 5:10 pm

Jamesy wrote:
I can talk because I watched the girtty cartoons. Its not about what batman is suppoused to about its making a good movie that is interesting and entertaining to watch that matter. Rolling Eyes

I am also done with you. you obviously have no idea, and to keep myself from insulting you and getting myself banned, i am finished with this thread



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01 Aug 2010, 5:17 pm

Sorry but as far as I am concerened you are the ones who do not get it. Not me and I appreciate the roots of batman but were talking about films that should be interesting to watch and keep the viewers attentions spans hooked.

Can they at least make a serious batman film which goes back to his roots that is not sleep inducing?

They should of just stopped at batman begins. The Dark Knight was a complete waste of time no real plot or siginifigant storyline that any real meaning just an excuse to bring back the joker.



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01 Aug 2010, 9:48 pm

I cannot comprehend people who did not like The Dark Knight.



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02 Aug 2010, 12:23 am

imbatshitcrazy wrote:
no, TAS isn't the only batman in the world KID!! !! ! the comics are what made TAS. it IS what batman is about NOT for the entertainment factor. and the burton films aren't funny at all. read the comics, you might like them. until then, stop talking.


it's actually quite funny that he keeps saying how much he loves B:TAS when an episode of the series--known as Legends of the Dark Knight--actually made fun of the '60s TV show and the movies which he holds so dearly to his heart!

I'm not saying I don't enjoy the '60s TV series, but it was intentionally a parody of Batman, and I loved it for what it was.

Batman Returns I love for three reasons:

1. The Penguin

2. Evil circus

3. Skeleton Bikers

And I did enjoy Batman '89-Batman Forever, but I still believe Dark Knight and Batman Begins were the best ones.

TAS was fantastic--one of the greatest shows ever made--and the Nolan movies are that as accurately translated to a live movie as they can be.



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02 Aug 2010, 9:51 am

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imbatshitcrazy wrote:
no, TAS isn't the only batman in the world KID!! !! ! the comics are what made TAS. it IS what batman is about NOT for the entertainment factor. and the burton films aren't funny at all. read the comics, you might like them. until then, stop talking.


it's actually quite funny that he keeps saying how much he loves B:TAS when an episode of the series--known as Legends of the Dark Knight--actually made fun of the '60s TV show and the movies which he holds so dearly to his heart!

I'm not saying I don't enjoy the '60s TV series, but it was intentionally a parody of Batman, and I loved it for what it was.

Batman Returns I love for three reasons:

1. The Penguin

2. Evil circus

3. Skeleton Bikers

And I did enjoy Batman '89-Batman Forever, but I still believe Dark Knight and Batman Begins were the best ones.

TAS was fantastic--one of the greatest shows ever made--and the Nolan movies are that as accurately translated to a live movie as they can be.



@TheDoctor82: THANK YOU



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02 Aug 2010, 1:11 pm

The Dark Knights plot was impossible to follow.

The reason why the film was such a great sucess was becasue of Heath Ledger.

Thank god batman 3 is going to be the last of the Nolan batman movies. Maybe in the future a new director can tackle batman and make the films how they used to be in the 90's.



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02 Aug 2010, 1:22 pm

bale is better as batman :batman:, not john connor
schwarzengger is better as the terminator :cool:, not mr.freeze


they really should stay out of each other's franchises