02 May 2023, 2:45 am
cyberdad wrote:
Yes the English suffer some type of conservative arrogance, not sure why, a lot of it (surprisingly) rubs of on Australians. We are (after all) the worst element of British society (convicts) cast out of the motherland 
The English need a big kick up the arse. Apparently there is a lot of inbreeding in England, that might be the reason. I don't like living here now. Brexit exposed the very worst of us.
02 May 2023, 2:55 am
Recidivist wrote:
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Have any of you watched The Northman, a great film but not your typical Viking film imo, highly recommend, although there's magic in the film the director tried to make it as historically accurate (not the story) as possible, it is loosely based on the story of Amleth , @Isabella & KitLily, Alexander Skarsgård take his top off a lot 
I'm not sure, I might have watched it. I don't like really violent films. But maybe I could force myself to watch it with the sound down, just to check Alexander is getting the historical nudity correct
All for research purposes of course.The two Viking films I remember watching are:
Valhalla Rising. Which is seriously one of the weirdest films I've ever seen
It's about a group of Vikings travelling to America, I think.The Thirteenth Warrior. This is a cult film now, it's partly based on Beowulf, partly based on Eaters of the Dead, by Michael Crichton, partly based on the account by Ibn Fadlen, a 9th century Muslim traveller who met a group of Vikings and travelled with them for a while. His account of them is one of the only contemporary ones we have of actual Vikings and how they live. If you Google his story, it is fascinating.
Anyway. The Thirteenth Warrior is the story of a village whose inhabitants beg a group of passing Vikings, including Ibn Fadlen who is with them, to save them from a pack of monsters who are attacking and killing them. I adore this film. Especially because they hired mostly unknown actors to play the Vikings.
02 May 2023, 3:29 am
KitLily wrote:
Recidivist wrote:
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Have any of you watched The Northman, a great film but not your typical Viking film imo, highly recommend, although there's magic in the film the director tried to make it as historically accurate (not the story) as possible, it is loosely based on the story of Amleth , @Isabella & KitLily, Alexander Skarsgård take his top off a lot
I'm not sure, I might have watched it. I don't like really violent films. But maybe I could force myself to watch it with the sound down, just to check Alexander is getting the historical nudity correct
All for research purposes of course.The two Viking films I remember watching are:
Valhalla Rising. Which is seriously one of the weirdest films I've ever seen
It's about a group of Vikings travelling to America, I think.The Thirteenth Warrior. This is a cult film now, it's partly based on Beowulf, partly based on Eaters of the Dead, by Michael Crichton, partly based on the account by Ibn Fadlen, a 9th century Muslim traveller who met a group of Vikings and travelled with them for a while. His account of them is one of the only contemporary ones we have of actual Vikings and how they live. If you Google his story, it is fascinating.
Anyway. The Thirteenth Warrior is the story of a village whose inhabitants beg a group of passing Vikings, including Ibn Fadlen who is with them, to save them from a pack of monsters who are attacking and killing them. I adore this film. Especially because they hired mostly unknown actors to play the Vikings.
Watch a movie called Pathfinder. It's a movie about how vikings interacted with the early native americans. The interaction was most likely brutal (not like the strangely Disney version in "Vikings"?)
02 May 2023, 3:31 am
Recidivist wrote:
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Have any of you watched The Northman, a great film but not your typical Viking film imo, highly recommend, although there's magic in the film the director tried to make it as historically accurate (not the story) as possible, it is loosely based on the story of Amleth , @Isabella & KitLily, Alexander Skarsgård take his top off a lot
I've seen it. Quite brutal, but I prefer this version where the reality was the Vikings were equally savage to other viking Jarldoms in as much as foreigners
02 May 2023, 3:33 am
KitLily wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Yes the English suffer some type of conservative arrogance, not sure why, a lot of it (surprisingly) rubs of on Australians. We are (after all) the worst element of British society (convicts) cast out of the motherland
The English need a big kick up the arse. Apparently there is a lot of inbreeding in England, that might be the reason. I don't like living here now. Brexit exposed the very worst of us.
I can't quite put my finger on it. I think it is intergenerational, perhaps the olden English before the 1800s were less like this before colonisation and the rise of the empire which has filled their heads with "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves"
02 May 2023, 5:05 am
KitLily wrote:
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The Thirteenth Warrior. .
The Thirteenth Warrior. .
This film rings a bell, I'm not sure I've watched it in full. Beowulf (2007) was the first film I watched in 3D in the cinema, it was such a weird sensation that gave me a headache, I don't remember much about that film except Angelina Jolie as Grendel's Mother in the nude scene
02 May 2023, 5:10 am
02 May 2023, 6:04 am
Recidivist wrote:
KitLily wrote:
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The Thirteenth Warrior. .
The Thirteenth Warrior. .
This film rings a bell, I'm not sure I've watched it in full.
One area where the Vikings > English was in trade. The vikings were more familiar with cosmopolitan societies than the English due to their millennia long connection to Constantinople
Their association with Arab and Turkish peoples south of their territories mean't they learned about personal hygiene such as using a comb, toothbrush, applying perfume and regularly bathing. Something their English counterparts still have problems doing
02 May 2023, 6:15 am
cyberdad wrote:
Something their English counterparts still have problems doing
I'm not sure that you should be tarring a whole country like this, but as it's England I'll let it slide
02 May 2023, 8:26 am
02 May 2023, 8:28 am
cyberdad wrote:
KitLily wrote:
The English need a big kick up the arse. Apparently there is a lot of inbreeding in England, that might be the reason. I don't like living here now. Brexit exposed the very worst of us.
I can't quite put my finger on it. I think it is intergenerational, perhaps the olden English before the 1800s were less like this before colonisation and the rise of the empire which has filled their heads with "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves"
I think you are right. It's filled their heads with all that nonsense and they need to wake up.
All that cr@p about how the EU needs Britain more than we need them. What a load of w@nk. Anyone with half a brain could tell that wasn't the case!
02 May 2023, 8:31 am
Recidivist wrote:
KitLily wrote:
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The Thirteenth Warrior. .
The Thirteenth Warrior. .
This film rings a bell, I'm not sure I've watched it in full. Beowulf (2007) was the first film I watched in 3D in the cinema, it was such a weird sensation that gave me a headache, I don't remember much about that film except Angelina Jolie as Grendel's Mother in the nude scene
It's nothing like Beowulf whatsoever. It's MUCH better. It stars Antonio Banderas as Ibn Fadlen, which is probably the main reason for me watching it. It is pretty gruesome and very atmospheric. But the real Ibn Fadlen's account of the Rus Vikings was so fascinating.
And there is definitely a woman in this film. She has it off with Antonio so I think she must have been naked in some scenes? So you could watch it for that reason.
Bear in mind though, I never notice if women in films are naked so don't sue me if she isn't!
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02 May 2023, 8:55 am
cyberdad wrote:
One area where the Vikings > English was in trade. The vikings were more familiar with cosmopolitan societies than the English due to their millennia long connection to Constantinople
Their association with Arab and Turkish peoples south of their territories mean't they learned about personal hygiene such as using a comb, toothbrush, applying perfume and regularly bathing. Something their English counterparts still have problems doing
Their association with Arab and Turkish peoples south of their territories mean't they learned about personal hygiene such as using a comb, toothbrush, applying perfume and regularly bathing. Something their English counterparts still have problems doing
Yes the Vikings did a lot for England, as well as spreading their DNA in every part of the country as they seem to have been irresistible to the Anglo Saxon women
Probably because of their extreme vanity and personal cleanliness. Apparently the Anglo Saxons were shocked that Vikings had a communal bath every week! They were very good at integrating and getting on with the locals (after they'd killed a lot of them)
02 May 2023, 4:44 pm
KitLily wrote:
Yes the Vikings did a lot for England, as well as spreading their DNA in every part of the country as they seem to have been irresistible to the Anglo Saxon women
Wow! I didn't think about that!!
actually DNA suggests the Irish and Scots overall have more Scandinavian DNA > English
But let's be fair, The local village girls like Bertha, Edith or Edwina wouldn't have had much say if their viking overlords required their company. The people in England once under Danelaw do indeed carry the mark of the vikings.
02 May 2023, 4:51 pm
KitLily wrote:
All that cr@p about how the EU needs Britain more than we need them. What a load of w@nk. Anyone with half a brain could tell that wasn't the case!
Yes Ethno-nationalism impacted England, Holland and Germany, but for completely different reasons.
England - British empire (a large reason why the royal family is so fondly adored)
Germany - 2nd (South west Africa) and 3rd Reich
Holland - Hanseatic league and Dutch East Indian company. The Dutch also ruled Indonesia and various colonies in Africa and South America.
In contrast Scandinavians were never exposed in the last millennia to subjecting vast tracts of territory to their rule. They got that out of their system early
According to my cousins the Danes and Swedes are fiercely welcoming to outsiders of any colour or shade, particularly if you speak their language.
03 May 2023, 1:57 am
cyberdad wrote:
KitLily wrote:
Yes the Vikings did a lot for England, as well as spreading their DNA in every part of the country as they seem to have been irresistible to the Anglo Saxon women
Wow! I didn't think about that!!
actually DNA suggests the Irish and Scots overall have more Scandinavian DNA > English
But let's be fair, The local village girls like Bertha, Edith or Edwina wouldn't have had much say if their viking overlords required their company. The people in England once under Danelaw do indeed carry the mark of the vikings.
Yes, because the English have had lots of other DNA come in since the Vikings, so we are far more mixed. Any invaders come in to the South East and push the locals further and further west and north.
It was something to do with Viking hygiene and appearance though. There are quite a few pretty jealous accounts of them by Anglo Saxon men (monks)
Vikings bathed once a week, dyed their hair, took great trouble with their hygiene and appearance. Apparently the sheer amount of combs and hygiene implements like ear spoons they've found in Viking graves suggests they were pretty obsessed with their looks. So I expect there was a bit of preference from local girls too. Not to say they weren't mainly forced though.And good old Ibn Fadlen commented a lot on their hygiene practices too, he watched them. Some of his commentary is quite funny because he is shocked that they wash every day and comb their hair and beards a lot. People think he is exaggerating
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