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24 Feb 2009, 11:37 pm

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The main difference that Stephen King had with Stanley Kubrick was that Kubrick didn't believe in the supernatural and decided to make the entire thing "inside people's heads" while Stephen King's take was that the Overlook hotel was posessed and was trying to get Danny (but via his father?).


Okay, I see that. But at least in the TV version of King's "It", the character "It" is at one point narrated to be a metaphore for harmful human indifference. (I doubt that part differs from the book, however superior to the film it is.) So, the film seemed to be saying that we all created "It" out of our antipathies. Yes, "It" is represented as a physical creature, but the "It" metaphore is far more thought-provoking than the creature, who itself teaches us virtually nothing, so I'd wonder if the metaphore wasn't the whole point of the story. :?:



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25 Feb 2009, 5:11 pm

Ragtime wrote:
But at least in the TV version of King's "It", the character "It" is at one point narrated to be a metaphore for harmful human indifference. (I doubt that part differs from the book, however superior to the film it is.) So, the film seemed to be saying that we all created "It" out of our antipathies. Yes, "It" is represented as a physical creature, but the "It" metaphore is far more thought-provoking than the creature, who itself teaches us virtually nothing, so I'd wonder if the metaphore wasn't the whole point of the story. :?:


Actually the Book of IT makes it pretty clear that it's an alien and that it's related to the Great Turtle ... there may have been a metaphor in the book that I missed - I read it when it was first published and haven't gotten back to IT yet.



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12 Jun 2009, 7:01 am

THE SH***IEST HORROR MOVIE EVER?!........................NOOOOOOOOOOT :tongue:



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12 Jun 2009, 8:23 am

The one from like 1980 was terrible - Jack Nicholson's ham acting, the drastic changes from the book (why do they always do that?), etc. There was in the mid to late 1990s a TV movie of it that was good, and much closer to the book.



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14 Jun 2009, 2:15 pm

I enjoyed it. No it's not particuarly scary or horror-like compared to today's films, but it is a good movie. And a classic.


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14 Jun 2009, 3:48 pm

I find that alot of horror movies from the 70s and early 80s have lots and lots of boring dialogue in it. Kubrick's The Shining is no exception. And most of them don't seem scary by today's standards. But that movie actually scared me (when I was 11) more than any scary movie I've seen since (including The Exorcist). Particularly because of the Grady twins.



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14 Jun 2009, 3:54 pm

The problem in converting any novel to a movie is dealing with the short attention span of most viewers.

The Shining was a pretty good horror novel. Most horror novels use suspense as a tool to build up to the climax of the story. As a movie, The Shining was pretty faithful to the book, but it was very dull in its build up. I thought the movie was boring in how it takes so long to build to anything, but I feel that way about most horror novels.

In later works and other authors, they do things to keep you going up to the climax of the story.

In John Carpenter's The Thing, that alien lifeform makes many appearances before the final climax. The never knowing when it pops up next keeps you jumping.

In Rose Red and The Stand by Stephen King, those movie adaptations has more "shock" moments to keep the flow going until the main story climax.

As an early work, the Shining lacked such "moments" to keep the flow going until the end.



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15 Jun 2009, 5:47 am

I remember watching this with a group of people. Everybody got scared except for me. I was laughing throughout the whole movie. Mainly because of the halloween episode of The Simpsons.

Groundskeeper Willie: His father is goin' to go crazy and turn them all into haggis?
Bart:What's haggis?
Willie:Boy! You've read my thoughts! You've got the Shinning/
Bart:You mean shining.
Willie: Quiet boy! Do you want to get sued?!



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15 Jun 2009, 5:59 am

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I agree, The Shining was awesome.

another one of my favs: Session 9. it's damn scary, not only because David Caruso's in it.


Session 9? Never heard of it but I will go to IMDB.


It was a TV released movie, plays off of a lot of 70's precedents but still a good view.

I think part of why the Shining made a positive impression on me though, when I watch a horror movie I'm looking to be more intrigued (like a good mystery) rather than scared, mainly because the latter typically can't happen with a movie - thus I tend to like a lot more of the visual art and psychological aspects.



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20 Jun 2009, 11:50 am

Actually, I'd have to say, The Shining is not the worst horror film made, as Sulla Terra aka Alien2 which, was an Italian rip-off of Alien has to be the worst as, the storyline if not the special effects were downright pathetic..2nd, a great deal of the plot could be telegraphed, in that it was very easy to know what possibly was going to happen next..Beyond this there are a whole bunch of low-grade B movies that reside in the horror genre, some of them would probably fit in this area of discussion..

That does it for me now..



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21 Jun 2009, 6:19 pm

Well, there is more than one version of The Shining. Stanley Kubrick's version, and a made-for-TV version that was released in the 90s. The TV version, is crap. It could be possible you saw that one.

Stanley Kubrick's version is one of the best horror movies out there.



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21 Jun 2009, 7:54 pm

While I liked The Shining, I don't think its one of the best horror films ever. Heck, its not even Kubrick's best film (That honor goes to Dr. Strangelove). Then again, I never been big on horror films to begin with, so I'm probably not the go-to person when it comes to horror. Its just that there were other films that I felt did a better job at creating terror and dread, like Alien and Dario Argento's Suspiria.


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24 Jun 2009, 2:40 pm

NextFact wrote:
the movie is VERY slow and doesn't pick up till more then halfway through.


It's called tension, most good horror/ thriller writers use it...

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The main difference that Stephen King had with Stanley Kubrick was that Kubrick didn't believe in the supernatural and decided to make the entire thing "inside people's heads" while Stephen King's take was that the Overlook hotel was posessed and was trying to get Danny (but via his father?).


Can't discount Kubrick for the paranormal though.
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05 Jul 2009, 8:00 pm

It's one of my favorite films. I wouldn't call it exactly scary all the time (though there are certainly some spooky and intense scenes)...but it's extremely entertaining.



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06 Jul 2009, 12:40 pm

Isn't "The Shining" a psychological horror?



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14 Jul 2009, 6:00 am

The worst movie ever is 2012 Doomsday, although it has NOTHING with that to do, it's just a f****** love story between weak humans whose love cannot protect them from "RRRRAAAAAAAIIIIINNNNNN", not from natural disasters n' huge *ss monsters!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGHhG9A ... re=related

The final scene is like that, BELIEVE IT!! F****** CHILDBIRTH, IF SHE DOES NOT GIVE BIRTH, DOES THAT MEAN HUMANITY WILL DIE?!?!

SHE CAN JUST DIE FOR ALL I CARE, I EXPECTED SOMETHING FAR MORE "FINAL SHOWDOWN-ISH". THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY NATURAL DISASTERS IN THIS MOVIE THAT CAN BE TROBLESOME :evil:. I wish an alien could rip the guys head off, and that the woman along with the child would DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEE, If i where there, i would ***************************************** THIS MOVIE PLANTS SEEDS OF MISANTROPHY IN ME!