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13 Jul 2010, 6:07 pm

http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1105806p1.html

Here is my opinion

I don't think Levi could pull it off. He doesn't have the look and I can't see him playing Clark or Superman either. I personally wouldn't mind seeing Sam Rockwell in the role as he needs to play a Superhero! Especially such a complex role as Superman and with the Nolan reboot I can guarantee it will be about Clarks depression about not being able to relate to others as well as the responsibility of trying to save the world as well as well as looking good in the public eye. And we will need an extremely talented actor to pull it off. And I am sure with his hair died and maybe buffing up a bit he could pull of a great Superman/Clark Kent.

I also felt that Sam Rockwell should play Hulk now that Norton has been removed by Marvel :( but sadly since he had a role in Iron Man 2 as Justin Hammer that won't be possible. But since Superman is a DC franchise he needs that role!



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13 Jul 2010, 6:27 pm

Honestly, I think they should try to find someone more masculine and older. I've always felt that Superman should resemble the one from the Max Fleischer cartoons.

Speaking of the Max Fleischer, I think that they should make the next movie in that style. I don't see why movies need to be dark and realistic. We have the Chris Nolan Batman movies for that, let Superman be the fun superhero flick. They should in it in the 1930s with a lot of retro sci-fi stuff going down, and just have the whole movie feel like a republic serial.


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13 Jul 2010, 6:34 pm

Le_Samourai wrote:
Honestly, I think they should try to find someone more masculine and older. I've always felt that Superman should resemble the one from the Max Fleischer cartoons.

Speaking of the Max Fleischer, I think that they should make the next movie in that style. I don't see why movies need to be dark and realistic. We have the Chris Nolan Batman movies for that, let Superman be the fun superhero flick. They should in it in the 1930s with a lot of retro sci-fi stuff going down, and just have the whole movie feel like a republic serial.


But that isn't at all what Superman is about... Superman is pretty dark and emotion based. I mean behind the Movies and Cartoons the character is extremely complex. I don't think we need like Overly Dark like in The Dark Knight but we need to show that all is not right with Clark and deal with his emotional complex.



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13 Jul 2010, 6:40 pm

Le_Samourai wrote:
Honestly, I think they should try to find someone more masculine and older. I've always felt that Superman should resemble the one from the Max Fleischer cartoons.

Speaking of the Max Fleischer, I think that they should make the next movie in that style. I don't see why movies need to be dark and realistic. We have the Chris Nolan Batman movies for that, let Superman be the fun superhero flick. They should in it in the 1930s with a lot of retro sci-fi stuff going down, and just have the whole movie feel like a republic serial.


I'd love to see that if the right director could pull it off without falling into embarrassingly bad camp, like that 1980 Flash Gordon bomb (if you haven't seen it, don't waste 2 hours of your life). I'm a big fan of Max Fleischer in general (except for Popeye), and love things of that period as well. I did think Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was fun for that very reason, though it had a few third act problems. What's Kerry Conran up these days?

I don't really want to see a moody, depressed Superman, though - Clark was raised in the American Heartland and grew up the All American Boy - there's a reason why he's been dubbed The Big Blue Boy Scout. I don't want to see Clark on the couch, that would be too deconstructionist.



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13 Jul 2010, 7:26 pm

Xenu wrote:
Le_Samourai wrote:
Honestly, I think they should try to find someone more masculine and older. I've always felt that Superman should resemble the one from the Max Fleischer cartoons.

Speaking of the Max Fleischer, I think that they should make the next movie in that style. I don't see why movies need to be dark and realistic. We have the Chris Nolan Batman movies for that, let Superman be the fun superhero flick. They should in it in the 1930s with a lot of retro sci-fi stuff going down, and just have the whole movie feel like a republic serial.


But that isn't at all what Superman is about... Superman is pretty dark and emotion based. I mean behind the Movies and Cartoons the character is extremely complex. I don't think we need like Overly Dark like in The Dark Knight but we need to show that all is not right with Clark and deal with his emotional complex.


Actually, they do a lot of exploring Clarke's emotional tug-of-war in Smallville....
...My wife is a Smallville fanatic, and so I end up watching involuntarily.

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13 Jul 2010, 7:30 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Xenu wrote:
Le_Samourai wrote:
Honestly, I think they should try to find someone more masculine and older. I've always felt that Superman should resemble the one from the Max Fleischer cartoons.

Speaking of the Max Fleischer, I think that they should make the next movie in that style. I don't see why movies need to be dark and realistic. We have the Chris Nolan Batman movies for that, let Superman be the fun superhero flick. They should in it in the 1930s with a lot of retro sci-fi stuff going down, and just have the whole movie feel like a republic serial.


But that isn't at all what Superman is about... Superman is pretty dark and emotion based. I mean behind the Movies and Cartoons the character is extremely complex. I don't think we need like Overly Dark like in The Dark Knight but we need to show that all is not right with Clark and deal with his emotional complex.


Actually, they do a lot of exploring Clarke's emotional tug-of-war in Smallville....
...My wife is a Smallville fanatic, and so I end up watching involuntarily.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I love Smallville! I was referring to the Max Fleischer cartoons and the original movies and TV show.



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13 Jul 2010, 10:16 pm

Xenu wrote:
Le_Samourai wrote:
Honestly, I think they should try to find someone more masculine and older. I've always felt that Superman should resemble the one from the Max Fleischer cartoons.

Speaking of the Max Fleischer, I think that they should make the next movie in that style. I don't see why movies need to be dark and realistic. We have the Chris Nolan Batman movies for that, let Superman be the fun superhero flick. They should in it in the 1930s with a lot of retro sci-fi stuff going down, and just have the whole movie feel like a republic serial.


But that isn't at all what Superman is about... Superman is pretty dark and emotion based. I mean behind the Movies and Cartoons the character is extremely complex.


Emotion based perhaps, but he is far from dark. I'm sure there has been some stories that have Superman struggle with being different from everyone on Earth, but those kind of stories are few and far between. The darkest Superman story I've read was the one written by Alan Moore, where Superman gets a parasite attached to his chest by Darkseid and experiences what life would be like if Krypton had not exploded. Even then, that kind of story was the exception and not the rule.

If anything, Superman is hopeful. He is the personification of hope and justice, being a shining beacon of light to Metropolis whenever it is threatened. He is driven not by selfish desires or a need to be accepted or personal gain. He does it from the bottom of his heart and because it's the right thing to do. Sure, that may not sound all that special, but in this day and age when every comic book character created these days are dark, gritty anti-heroes, someone like Superman is a breath of fresh air.

One of the reasons why I feel the next Superman movie should feel like a republic serial is because we've already had the serious Superman movies that went into Superman's head. We had the original Richard Donner movie, and then Bryan Singer tried to explore the character with Superman Returns, but that wasn't all that good. Besides, I think going the Max Fleischer route would be more fitting to Superman. A lot of people criticize the Superman character because he is too perfect and flat as a character. I disagree that he's flat, but he is a simple character that belongs to the era of pulp heroes like Doc Savage, Buck Rogers, and Flash Gordon. Besides, I think the retro sci-fi feel would be a lot of fun for a Superman movie. Willard is right in that it would be easy for it to become overtly goofy, but if you got the right writer and director, it would be a very fun ode to the Max Fleischer shorts.

And on a shallow note, who wouldn't want Superman to punch giant robots? :wink:


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13 Jul 2010, 10:36 pm

I never cared for Superman. He always seemed rather bland and generic to me. Most superheroes have themes that separate them from the rest: for instance, Batman's bat motif. Superman's theme is...what, superness? Boring.


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13 Jul 2010, 11:07 pm

BrandonSP wrote:
I never cared for Superman. He always seemed rather bland and generic to me. Most superheroes have themes that separate them from the rest: for instance, Batman's bat motif. Superman's theme is...what, superness? Boring.


People say that Superman is basically about the American dream.


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