In Star Wars, are there any ''neutral'' force users?

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04 Feb 2011, 7:40 pm

The Jedis use the Force for good and the Sith for evil, but are there organizations or individuals who use the Force for neither good or evil goals? I'm just curious...



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04 Feb 2011, 8:14 pm

No. Canon has it that once trained in the Force the individual either became a member of the Jedi order or was corrupted into the Sith.

'Neutrals' only existed as untrained (but very talented) force users.

Think Mara Jade. She was talented in the force but wasnt trained in it.. she worked for the emperor but wasn't evil.



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04 Feb 2011, 8:17 pm

In the expanded universe there are a number of 'Gray Jedi'
Also in some comics there is something called the 'Imperial Knights' that is a group of force users who are loyal to the emperor (in the new Empire, not the 'Sith' based Empire) though I don't know much about them, I recommend checking out Wookieepedia


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04 Feb 2011, 9:11 pm

I don't know about "organizations", but in the KotOR computer games, both Jolee Bindo (in the first game) and Kreya (in Sith Lords) are neutral - Jolee because he abandoned the Jedi when they refused to punish him for training his own wife without authorization, and Kreya because she had been Jedi, she had been Sith, and she was following a middle path while mentoring the Exile. (It is unclear at the end of the tale if her claim of wanting the Exile to destroy the Force is correct, or if she foresaw that this "grey path" would be the only way to keep the Sith from destroying the hidebound Jedi - by eliminating the Jedi Order, and starting again with one they had thrown out...)


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04 Feb 2011, 9:37 pm

Gray Jedi is the term I hear most, it is rather a Jedi belives there is no good or evil and may take more neutral paths, Jolee Bindo was one, and it is belived that Qui Gon Jin may have also been a Gray Jedi especially of note that he often ignored the council's wishes. Kreia's teachings herself were pretty interesting, she said that even acts of kindness could harm people, so bassicly at times you had to be mean to be nice.


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05 Feb 2011, 2:50 am

How can one be neither good or evil? If evil is the absence of good, then you're either a good or evil. The only real way I could see someone sapient being "neutral" is if they where on the fence, trying to choose.



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05 Feb 2011, 3:07 am

"Evil", at least in the SW universe, is not merely the absence of good. Instead, it requires an active malevolence on the part of the Force user (or the non-Force-user - Han Solo, prior to meeting up with Luke and Obi-wan, was not "good", but neither was he "evil"; in the words of Gag Halfrunt, Zaphod Beeblebrox's private brain-care specialist, "He's just zis guy, you know?")

Similarly, Jolee Bindo wasn't evil, he was just grumpy and figured the universe could really get along just fine without any Jedi (or Sith) at all. And Kreia had, as I noted, been at both extremes, neither of which had brought her either peace or sufficient power to dominate all. She was cynical, but not evil, as such (Sion had referred to her "teachings that weaken us"). I think she mostly wanted to make sure that as the Exile came back into his/her power, he/she didn't become a stuck-up self-absorbed prig, like most Jedi of the era.


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05 Feb 2011, 3:26 am

DeaconBlues wrote:
I think she mostly wanted to make sure that as the Exile came back into his/her power, he/she didn't become a stuck-up self-absorbed prig, like most Jedi of the era.

reminds me of one of Jolee's stories
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9M5HVNXB7g[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0vawVD1t6A[/youtube]


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